Testosterone Cypionate vs Enanthate Ester break down

[Fortunate]

You got it already? That's awesome. I am actually going to try some larger gauge needles. 31g isn't going to fly with this stuff long-term. It took me several minutes to fill .2 ml yesterday.

In short, turns out I already had it. I didn't realize until I looked closely at the bottle. It's from a local pharmacy.

Longer story: I have tried it before in small quantities (10-15mg at a time), which is why I was hypothesizing (hoping) that perhaps there is some threshold below which someone like me may feel bad from injecting, and above which I feel OK. Possibly mediated by some threshold needed to aromatize properly? Or, maybe there are competing effects, one of which is anti inflammatory and that with a larger injection, the anti inflammatory properties mitigate whatever causes me to feel bad on smaller injections?

I usually, but not always, feel OK with Xyosted. But, being able to tolerate a multi use vial would be much cheaper and more convenient.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

I usually, but not always, feel OK with Xyosted. But, being able to tolerate a multi use vial would be much cheaper and more convenient.

Give it a shot! Maybe a bigger and less frequent dose is the ticket for you.

 

[RotnGun]

I have been using big pharma Delatestryl (TE) for over 6 years injecting 150 mg TE split (75 mg every 3.5 days)

So do you need an AI on such a high dose like this? If so, which AI do you use and how much do you take?
Whats your total test, free test and estrodiol level on this dose?

 

[Gianluca]

@FunkOdyssey @Gman86 are you guys still using the Hikma Test E from Defy? I just checked their website and 5ml vial is $199? it seems way to much $ for 5ml test. Same brand can be found at CVS for $ 94 regular price, or $32 with Goodrx

 

[FunkOdyssey]

@FunkOdyssey @Gman86 are you guys still using the Hikma Test E from Defy? I just checked their website and 5ml vial is $199? it seems way to much $ for 5ml test. Same brand can be found at CVS for $ 94 regular price, or $32 with Goodrx

We are right in the middle of a national shortage of Hikma enanthate which I think may be related. Normally, Defy sells a 5 ml vial for $89. CVS told me it was on backorder until June. Defy took it off their site completely for awhile, but may have found a more expensive source recently.

If Defy leaves the price that high when places like CVS are back in stock, I would just use the option to have Defy call in the script to your local pharmacy. They said they have no problem doing that with testosterone, so long as you pay their $35 fee to call in the script.

 

[Gman86]

@FunkOdyssey @Gman86 are you guys still using the Hikma Test E from Defy? I just checked their website and 5ml vial is $199? it seems way to much $ for 5ml test. Same brand can be found at CVS for $ 94 regular price, or $32 with Goodrx

Last time I ordered the hikma test enanthate 5ml vial through empower via Defy was on 3-8-24, and it cost me $89. I stopped the test E a little more than a week ago. I plan on starting up empowers compounded test prop once the test E clears from my system

 

[Gman86]

We are right in the middle of a national shortage of Hikma enanthate which I think may be related. Normally, Defy sells a 5 ml vial for $89. CVS told me it was on backorder until June. Defy took it off their site completely for awhile, but may have found a more expensive source recently.

If Defy leaves the price that high when places like CVS are back in stock, I would just use the option to have Defy call in the script to your local pharmacy. They said they have no problem doing that with testosterone, so long as you pay their $35 fee to call in the script.

Wow, guess it was the perfect time to switch to test prop. I unfortunately live in Massachusetts, and defy calling in a test script to my local pharmacy isn’t an option. Mass doesn’t allow out of state providers to call in test scripts. Sucks

 

[Gianluca]

We are right in the middle of a national shortage of Hikma enanthate which I think may be related. Normally, Defy sells a 5 ml vial for $89. CVS told me it was on backorder until June. Defy took it off their site completely for awhile, but may have found a more expensive source recently.

If Defy leaves the price that high when places like CVS are back in stock, I would just use the option to have Defy call in the script to your local pharmacy. They said they have no problem doing that with testosterone, so long as you pay their $35 fee to call in the script.

I’m picking up my Test E from Hikma from CVS pharmacy here in LA. I will switch from TC empower in a couple of weeks when I finish the vial.

Good talk in this thread @FunkOdyssey about the preservatives in T formulation, I will give an update once I’m starting the TE

 

[Gianluca]

@FunkOdyssey @Gman86 Have you guys seen a noticeable difference in labs going from Empower CYP to Hikma Enanthate?

 

[FunkOdyssey]

@FunkOdyssey @Gman86 Have you guys seen a noticeable difference in labs going from Empower CYP to Hikma Enanthate?

I've never taken remotely similar doses so that is difficult to say. I was never able to sustainably tolerate more than 70 mg a week of cypionate whereas I've gone as high as 175 mg with the enanthate. I will say that I think the cypionate gave me levels I expected, roughly proportionate to the dosing, and same with enanthate. I don't think there is any advantage to one or the other in that respect.

 

[Gianluca]

an update on my Hikma Test E trial vs Test CYP from empower.

Levels are about the same, a bit less on the Hikma, Testosterone speaking I feel the same, I believe my head feels a bit more clear/natural on the Hikma. I think it is a good idea trying not to inject benzyl benzoate, some negative literature about nerve damage from it.

 

[Flexityme]

Cypionate has a slightly longer half-life, so it might release a bit slower compared to Enanthate, but once the body breaks it down, the testosterone itself is basically the same.
When I switched to Enanthate, I noticed I felt less anxious and more stable overall. It’s hard to explain, but it just seemed to “click” better for me. If you’re still trying to figure out what works best for you, some guys check out options through Steroids Canada to explore different formulations, especially if they want to compare brands or adjust dosages.

 

[Aragorn]

Interesting topic. Unusual to observe cracks in that Cypionate dogma. Hear me out.

I was on Cypionate for 2.5 years which I stopped 4 years ago. Long story short - it didn't go well in spite of a well known on this site/forum doctor treating me.

I've recently moved to Europe and I'm considering TRT again. So a local TRT doctors absolutely SWEARS by Undecanoate every 3 months. He says that most criticism of Undecanoate comes from countries where it isn't available. When I showed him these graphs of Nebido (Undecanoate) vs Cypionate on that forum, he says that these are absolutely not true in real life, and he takes Undecanoate himself as well as thousands of his patients and their testosterone measured by blood test remains high even at the end of 3 months before next shot, as long as dose is chosen properly.

He says that Germany and some other European countries are leading this research and out of all available esters they are picking Undecanoate.

It was at first hard for me to believe that. But since I didn't feel well on Cypionate and since there are topics like these emerge were people seem to break Cypionate paradigm, do you believe that doctor could possibly be up to something?

This guy says that his T remained high at 90th day after injection. Also here. So what's up with all this peaks and drops charts, and with all the hatred against Undecanoate?

Also that doc almost never gives Anastrozole and HCG, he believes there's no need for them and more harm

I hope that you guys can have a fresh look at this regardless of what the "establishment" tells us about "golden standard" of Cypionate, while having an open mind.

Is there a chance that this doctor is right? At least this would give me hope that I can ever feel good on TRT.

 

[Willyt]

Interesting topic. Unusual to observe cracks in that Cypionate dogma. Hear me out.

I was on Cypionate for 2.5 years which I stopped 4 years ago. Long story short - it didn't go well in spite of a well known on this site/forum doctor treating me.

I've recently moved to Europe and I'm considering TRT again. So a local TRT doctors absolutely SWEARS by Undecanoate every 3 months. He says that most criticism of Undecanoate comes from countries where it isn't available. When I showed him these graphs of Nebido (Undecanoate) vs Cypionate on that forum, he says that these are absolutely not true in real life, and he takes Undecanoate himself as well as thousands of his patients and their testosterone measured by blood test remains high even at the end of 3 months before next shot, as long as dose is chosen properly.

He says that Germany and some other European countries are leading this research and out of all available esters they are picking Undecanoate.

It was at first hard for me to believe that. But since I didn't feel well on Cypionate and since there are topics like these emerge were people seem to break Cypionate paradigm, do you believe that doctor could possibly be up to something?

This guy says that his T remained high at 90th day after injection. Also here. So what's up with all this peaks and drops charts, and with all the hatred against Undecanoate?

Also that doc almost never gives Anastrozole and HCG, he believes there's no need for them and more harm

I hope that you guys can have a fresh look at this regardless of what the "establishment" tells us about "golden standard" of Cypionate, while having an open mind.

Is there a chance that this doctor is right? At least this would give me hope that I can ever feel good on TRT.

One disadvantage of TU is that you get locked into a dose level for a longer period of time versus say a short-acting ester like TP which allows you to easily play with different doses.

 

[Aragorn]

One disadvantage of TU is that you get locked into a dose level for a longer period of time versus say a short-acting ester like TP which allows you to easily play with different doses.

That's true.

 

[Willyt]

That's true.

Of course, there is only one way for you to find out if TU is the answer and that is by experimenting. But it could a long ride down if you later determine that your body does not respond well to a longer-acting ester.