Ya I would add in a low dose of HCG, and titrate that up every week or two by 250iu’s/ week. So start by adding 250iu’s/ week, do that for a week to two, see how u feel, and titrate up by 250iu’s/ week, repeat
I’m doing 120mg split MWF.
Thanks! That’s the plan. Other than a 2 week honeymoon on TRT, I never felt good on any dose of Test, so I’m kinda trying to avoid using it at all. I’d even consider Mast, Proviron or Primo before Test if I need DHT.
I was using 120mg test Cyp pinning MWF. I waited two weeks for most of it to clear out my system and started using 200 NPP pinning EOD and 21mg test cyp pinning EOD.
it’s tough to know how adding a dht to a nandrolone base will affect things. I can see adding a dht like proviron or mast possibly being beneficial, if it adds some dht receptor activation in the mix, but u also have to factor in that they inhibit estrogen. And with a nandrolone base, the name of the game is increasing estrogen into the ideal range for u and ur body. So ya, adding a dht derivative could possibly be beneficial by adding in some dht receptor activation, but is it counterproductive due to it also lowering estrogen, and possibly leaving ur estrogen too low?
Sounds reasonable enough. I’ll follow your lead and only add hCG for now.
Well it's faster acting so you can adjust easier but it also needs shot more frequently
Yes but in terms of how it feels? Libido, wellbeing,… ?
I guess that's Really person specific but heard worse sides from Decca than npp
So I’ve definitely heard that some guys feel better on NPP, than Deca. I assume it probably has something to do with why some guys feel better on test prop, than longer esters of test. Imo, it might have something to do with shorter esters being associated with possibly shutting down the HPTA less. This is debatable, but I’ve seen studies showing that men’s fertility were better on test prop, than on test cyp. Can only assume that this is due to less shut down, with the test prop. NPP has a longer half life than test prop. Test prop is 0.8 days, and NPP is 1.5 days. But there’s still a chance that NPP causes less shut down, imo, than deca, which has a half life of 7.5 days. In my personal opinion, any time u have less shut down, and downstream hormones are less shut down, ur going to feel and function better. Again, in my personal opinion, a big reason why some guys feel better on short ester/ no ester forms of test, is due to less shut down of the HPTA/ less shut down of downstream hormones. So imo, it’s always better to use shorter ester forms of these compounds. Only upsides to using long esters are convenience, and they increase nitrogen retention more than shorter esters. So they have their place. And they usually come in higher concentrations per ML (200mg/ml), which usually will save u money, compared to using the shorter esters that come in concentrations of 100mg/ ml, the majority of the time.
Wauw! Great to hear youre doing good! Cant wait to start with my npp journey.
Thank you! TBF, it started about 10 days after adding Test to my protocol, so I’m not sure if it’s all because of the NPP. On NPP+hCG my BP was ok. But yeah, it’s freaking me out as well. We’ll see what the doctor says today. Other than BP everything else is great.
Let us know what he says
Do you supplement potassium? In the rare cases when my BP has crept up, that seems to help. I also get plenty of salt, but potassium seems to be the key variable for me (along with a combination of HIIT and longer cardio sessions.)
Man, hearing positive anecdotes like this honestly never gets old. Love them just as much every single time I come across a new one. Not even just in regards to a nandrolone base, but just in general. But I do definitely like hearing about guys finding a protocol that works for them, after suffering for a while, just because it gives hope to other guys still struggling out there, and it reinforces the fact that there’s many different options, when it comes to what can work for us each as individuals, and to never stop experimenting, even if u have to try things that are a bit outside the box
No ur right, I hate when guys post their dose in ml’s, vs how many mgs. I definitely should know better. I’ll clarify real quick. My deca does come in 200mg/ ml strength, so each ml is obv 200mg. And I use a 1ml syringe. So if u draw up to the 29th line on a 1ml syringe, while using a compound made in 200mg/ ml strength, that would equal 58mg of the compound. And I injected that EOD. So u divide the 58mg by two, to get how much I’m getting on a daily basis, which would be 29mg, and then u multiply that by 7, to get how much I’m getting per week, which would be 203mg.
I forgot to ask but at what frequency do you inject the 30mg of testosterone?
