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[FunkOdyssey]

So if I may ask what do you think the situation is that we removed carbs/grains/vegs/fruit, changed to this diet and pain improved big time?

I would guess mainly you're seeing reduced reflux by reducing gas production, by eating food that is more completely digested. Gut bacteria ferment any undigested or poorly digested carbohydrate / fiber / oligosaccharides / disaccharides / monosaccharides / polyols (FODMAPs) and the gas pressure drives reflux up the esophagus like a shaken soda bottle. I think it can also possibly contribute to gastritis by causing bile reflux into the stomach (this is a personal theory and less established).

This concept is the basis for the Fast Tract Diet as detailed in the book by the same name:

Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

Here is a clinical trial where a very low carb diet improved GERD symptoms:

A very low-carbohydrate diet improves gastroesophageal reflux and its symptoms - PubMed

Obese patients with gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) may experience resolution of symptoms utilizing a very low-carbohydrate diet. The mechanism of this improvement is unknown. This studied aimed to prospectively assess changes in distal esophageal acid exposure and GERD symptoms among...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Belekas]

@Belekas this is awesome to hear man! I’m honestly not sure the exact mechanism of action going on here that’s making u feel better, but they are finding out now that the majority of chronic illness is due to insulin resistance, which obv has a lot to do with carbs and spiking blood sugar levels and inflammation. So the less carbs, the less blood sugar spikes, and less insulin spikes. Maybe these things were factoring into ur issue somehow.

and temporary diarrhea is extremely common when people cut out carbs. it will
pass. Can take up to a week or two for things to normalize from my understanding

Thanks to you as you talked me into trying Carnivore one more time Fucking amazing how shit changed in just a few days pretty much like wow. I've been eating very high carb since 2006 when I started bodybuilding. I also believe that this shit is from a lot of drugs, % and stress related issues as well, as pretty much everyone who smokes weed for decades, when stops, starts getting serious GERD like issues. About cigs not sure as my pops smoked for decades, stopped and never had any of symtoms even remotely far to what I have. It's a weird one for sure as I even react to fucking water. Now with eating beef mostly I can finally drink some water without getting stabbed in the chest like a mofo. Thats wild and crazy af if you'd ask me. Also I can finally lay down and be pretty much alright even after eating, which was pretty much impossible when eating carbs and vegs. This is absolutely bananas lol It's still a long way to heal but what a fucking great and promising start there and with all the tools and knowledge I learned from you and all my other guys who commented on my issue I'm ready to nail this down once and for all. Even though if I'll not be able to heal 100% as we are getting older, not younger, I'll be happy af and just take the measures what needs to be done to prevent pain most of the time. But seriously I hope and believe the body is very capable of healing under the right circumstances and when given proper fuel

 

[Belekas]

@Belekas and trust me, I totally understand how u feel. I’ve been a health freak my whole life basically. So I’m beyond used to being the oddball when it comes to diet. And I’ve been on HRT and into hormones for 10 years now, and that just makes me even more of an oddball, since zero people in my real life have any idea about anything hormone related. Everyone in my life is used to me being the way I am at this point. But doesn’t mean they don’t look at me like I’m out of my mind half the time lol. I eat raw egg yolks, raw beef liver and raw beef heart on the regular. People think I’m gonna drop dead at any moment lol

Real recognize real so salute man! I've been dabbling with test/deca and some oldschool Russian methandrostenolone since 2008+-. We used to take it before starting cycle just to warm up and blow out like a ballon in a month lol Russian school of bb'ing bro haha Man even though that shit toxic af we didn't give a fuck and to be honest I miss those young, ruthless and crazy days, in a sense, you know. 7 meals/day, cheatmeal every day for years made me huge af considered I never ran more then 250mg/test and 250mg/deca for a cycle of 16 weeks or something like that I don't remember, been some years. And only then I jumped on sports TRT lol 250mg/test per week and grew like a fucking weed. Guys there doing 2-3x more and never looked similar because I outworked them in every department possible. Just like you being a healthfreak I was also obsessed with everything bodybuilding/hormones and health related. And till this day I love this shit even if I'll never ran anything more then T. Always learning and getting better each and every day. I'll try some raw beef liver or raw heart if I manage to find some as I never did it lol

 

[Belekas]

I would guess mainly you're seeing reduced reflux by reducing gas production, by eating food that is more completely digested. Gut bacteria ferment any undigested or poorly digested carbohydrate / fiber / oligosaccharides / disaccharides / monosaccharides / polyols (FODMAPs) and the gas pressure drives reflux up the esophagus like a shaken soda bottle. I think it can also possibly contribute to gastritis by causing bile reflux into the stomach (this is a personal theory and less established).

This concept is the basis for the Fast Tract Diet as detailed in the book by the same name:

Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

Here is a clinical trial where a very low carb diet improved GERD symptoms:

A very low-carbohydrate diet improves gastroesophageal reflux and its symptoms - PubMed

Obese patients with gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) may experience resolution of symptoms utilizing a very low-carbohydrate diet. The mechanism of this improvement is unknown. This studied aimed to prospectively assess changes in distal esophageal acid exposure and GERD symptoms among...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yes agree re bile reflux as well, very possible, I'd say. I'd check the Fast Tract Diet, thanks for mentioning. Also I have had zero farts or gas since I started eating Carnivore like a few days ago. Which is great as I had some mad gas. Also belching bit down as well fwiw. I'd love to eat some carbs but I'll give my gut a break and time to heal and then will try to introduce some carb most likely some good rice at first. But one issue at a time. No stress. Can't live with pain, gotta do what needs to be done

 

[sammmy]

@Belekas
Alternative explanation is that cheese may exert local anti-inflammatory effects. I think you said that eating pizza reduces your GERD - pizza contains carbs, but typically contains lots of cheese.

 

[Belekas]

@Belekas
Alternative explanation is that cheese may exert local anti-inflammatory effects. I think you said that eating pizza reduces your GERD - pizza contains carbs, but typically contains lots of cheese.

Yes correct. That pizza I was able to eat and feel good even when in pain and it reduced it pretty much instantly.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Yes correct. That pizza I was able to eat and feel good even when in pain and it reduced it pretty much instantly.

I have some experience with bread or crackers improving GERD chest pain, which I attribute to a sponge-like action of soaking up and sweeping out of refluxate. I actually keep some around for GERD emergencies because in my case crackers work better than antacids. If your reflux is carb-powered though, using bread products in this way might be helpful short term only to fuel the problem later

 

[Belekas]

I have some experience with bread or crackers improving GERD chest pain, which I attribute to a sponge-like action of soaking up and sweeping out of refluxate. I actually keep some around for GERD emergencies because in my case crackers work better than antacids. If your reflux is carb-powered though, using bread products in this way might be helpful short term only to fuel the problem later

I hear ya and makes sense. Bread was hit and miss for me. One day one type works, another day it fucks me up. Next day gluten free works, another day it kills me right out the gate. Fuck that lol. I'm feeling night and day after starting Carnivore. I still can't believe it myself. From a completely sick and ill to pretty much 80-90% functional in 2 days. How cool is that? I just hope it sticks. Have ordered stuff from amazon and should be here tomorrow with Prime and will start running some supplements as we discussed. What do you think about Raw Aloe Vera juice?

 

[Belekas]

Just received Doctors Best Zinc L-Carnosine complex. The label says 1 serving 2 caps/per day. I'm interested to know how much did your wife take when she was treating her issue? From what I've read online the usual treatment in Japan goes something like 2 servings/day which would result in 4caps. Or perhaps it pays to start lower and then bump the dosage up? @FunkOdyssey

 

[Belekas]

Hey @Gman86 hope you doing good mate; ) I've read some post of yours that you are taking liquid magnesium. Is that correct? I'm looking to order now from amazon and can't decide which one to pick. What would be your recommendation considering my fucked gut issue? Thanks in advance!

 

[Belekas]

Ordered supps at night and got them delivered around 9.xx am ain't that a beauty, love it. So thinking to start on zinc carnosine and glutamine as well but trying to figure out the doses. Also got raw aloe vera juice so that also i will try 25mg/day as on the bottle. See if it even sits with my inflammed and irritated stomach linning. Still waiting for Bismuth Subcytrate and will update once I get it. Also strangely the NHS have dissapeared with my stool sample result even though she said 48hrms max so have no idea if h pylori still shows active there, but even if it shows nothing, it can still show on biopsy, so you know. Would be cool to be able to run GI-map but at the moment its too much of the weight for me. Def in the future. Baby steps but we moving forward. Smal progress is better then no progress so lets see what happens next.

Have a great weekend my comrades and lets get even better!

Regards,
Bel

 

[Gman86]

Hey @Gman86 hope you doing good mate; ) I've read some post of yours that you are taking liquid magnesium. Is that correct? I'm looking to order now from amazon and can't decide which one to pick. What would be your recommendation considering my fucked gut issue? Thanks in advance!

Yup, been using magnesium chloride liquid for years now. Doesn’t taste great, but I put a couple servings in my sparkling mineral waters as soon as I open each one, and can’t even taste it when I’m sipping on it. Idk if it’s just diluted enough in the liter of water, or if I’m just used to it at this point. But that’s how I do it. I use a brand called Remag. I’ll post a pic of it. It says I ordered it last in 2019 because I just order it on their website now when they have sales goin

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Just received Doctors Best Zinc L-Carnosine complex. The label says 1 serving 2 caps/per day. I'm interested to know how much did your wife take when she was treating her issue? From what I've read online the usual treatment in Japan goes something like 2 servings/day which would result in 4caps. Or perhaps it pays to start lower and then bump the dosage up? @FunkOdyssey

I think it depends on the severity of your situation and whether it causes any side effects for you. In my wife's case, I think she started with two caps twice a day. Then as she started to see relief, she backed down to the single serving, finished the bottle at that dose, and then she was all set.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

What do you think about Raw Aloe Vera juice?

Some swear by it but I found it to be too acidic and it made things worse. Generally I don't do well with adding acid as a strategy, although some people seem to benefit from that.

 

[Belekas]

I think it depends on the severity of your situation and whether it causes any side effects for you. In my wife's case, I think she started with two caps twice a day. Then as she started to see relief, she backed down to the single serving, finished the bottle at that dose, and then she was all set.

Did she take them on empty stomach or with food?

 

[Belekas]

Some swear by it but I found it to be too acidic and it made things worse. Generally I don't do well with adding acid as a strategy, although some people seem to benefit from that.

Yeah that's the issue but fuck it, i'll give it a go. If no bueno and fucks me up then into the cupboard it goes near the Breggs ACV I just bought as well and never used it lol Probably makes more sense once the stomach/esophagus lining is healed and all good but who knows. Ill update.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Did she take them on empty stomach or with food?

Empty stomach

 

[Belekas]

Empty stomach

Ditto. This one is clear. Starting from tomorrow with Glutamine as well. Bought not the best Glutamine though so hope it doesn't irritate anything and sticks. Thanks mate!

 

[Belekas]

Fuck i' loosing weight like crazy as I need to eat 3000kcal probably already more just to maintain but this Carnivore thing gets me stuffed af after 2700kcal lol Need my rice and fruit badly, feeling flat and gym is absolutely different without carbs. Getting leaner but lost the pop and 0 carb. Anyway healing first then everything else. One issue at a time. Also probably need to cut cardio as i'll be bruce lee(rip) looking after a month lol

 

[Gman86]

Fuck i' loosing weight like crazy as I need to eat 3000kcal probably already more just to maintain but this Carnivore thing gets me stuffed af after 2700kcal lol Need my rice and fruit badly, feeling flat and gym is absolutely different without carbs. Getting leaner but lost the pop and 0 carb. Anyway healing first then everything else. One issue at a time. Also probably need to cut cardio as i'll be bruce lee(rip) looking after a month lol

Most carnivores end up doing similarly well when adding things like white rice, organic raw honey and fruit. So I see u being able to tolerate these foods soon, if not already. But might be good to try and stay strict carnivore for a bit longer to heal a bit more, like u said

good thing about white rice and raw honey is they’re both very low in fiber. And then if u add in fruit, maybe just try to stick to low fiber fruit at first. I mostly just eat melons atm. Mostly watermelon and honeydew. When I stick to my diet I have zero gas. But anytime i eat some foods I know arent the best, I instantly get some gas. It’s a good gauge to go imo, as far as knowing whether ur body does well with the foods ur eating or not. Gas literally means ur not digesting food properly. So I think it’s crazy that vegetarians and vegans just get used to having gas, and don’t see it as an issue. Most vegans turned carnivore will tell u that they had the worst gas ever when they were vegan. Imo the excess gas while eating vegan/ vegetarian is the only indicator u need to know it’s not an ideal diet for the human body. Fiber is literally not needed for an optimal/ healthy diet. So I also laugh when people take a fiber supplement to get more in each day