Testosterone propionate supposedly the best ester?

[Seagal]

Yes indeed! The hair loss from the Androgel was like being back on chemo therapy. Injections for the win!!

Thought it was just me or coincidence, during the time I used androgel I lost a lot of hair.

 

[RotnGun]

I've been on a solvent-free prop for a few weeks and agree with the sentiment - so far, better than everything else I've tried to date.

How come you switched from test enanthate to test prop?
Which brand of test prop are you using?

 

[Pnw0031]

Would prop in MCT oil lengthen or shorten the half life?

Likely shorten due to how thin MCT oil is, I remember seeing a chart on here showing carrier oils and how they affect half life and MCT was ridiculously short.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

What is the function of benzyl benzoate?
I wonder, for guys in countries where it legal to make their own prop, if eliminating bb would cause any increased risk of infection?

Benzyl benzoate is used as solvent. There is no risk of infection associated with eliminating it - you still use a preservative (benzyl alcohol in this case). The only consequence is your concentration becomes limited and you have to inject annoying amounts of oil. The solvent-free prop is only 50 mg/mL.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

What's your dose, frequency and injection location?

20 - 25 mg daily, IM, rotating delts and ventroglutes.

 

[camygod]

20 - 25 mg daily, IM, rotating delts and ventroglutes.

Feeling good ? Can sleep ok

 

[FunkOdyssey]

How come you switched from test enanthate to test prop?
Which brand of test prop are you using?

I feel generally pretty good on enanthate but sort of zombie'ish. Many hypogonadal symptoms improved on it but I still didn't have much libido.

On prop so far I have a better mood, feeling sharper cognitively, no zombie feelings. Generally I am feeling more normal and more like my pre-TRT self, except without most of the hypogonadal symptoms. Libido might be a bit better too but I don't want to jinx anything.

Using Pharmacom test prop. Had to go UGL to find a solvent free formula unfortunately.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Feeling good ? Can sleep ok

Yes, sleeping very well so far.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

I feel generally pretty good on enanthate but sort of zombie'ish. Many hypogonadal symptoms improved on it but I still didn't have much libido.

On prop so far I have a better mood, feeling sharper cognitively, no zombie feelings. Generally I am feeling more normal and more like my pre-TRT self, except without most of the hypogonadal symptoms. Libido might be a bit better too but I don't want to jinx anything.

Using Pharmacom test prop. Had to go UGL to find a solvent free formula unfortunately.

The one thing that isn't awesome is water retention is quite a bit worse, contrary to prop's reputation. Jerajera had the same experience with it (significantly worse water retention on prop).

I ordered some HCTZ and dandelion root extract to see if that helps.

 

[Seagal]

The one thing that isn't awesome is water retention is quite a bit worse, contrary to prop's reputation. Jerajera had the same experience with it (significantly worse water retention on prop).

I ordered some HCTZ and dandelion root extract to see if that helps.

Did you also increase your T dosage compared to enanthate. The ester weight makes not much difference (T:ester ratio 0.84 vs 0.72).

 

[Gman86]

Skin still has an extremely high 5ar concentration regardless of location. I have test results to prove different e2 on injection+cream vs injection only at the same test level and using the same ester (for injection)

Interesting. Didn’t know this about anywhere on the skin having high 5ar enzyme concentrations, thus leading to higher DHT levels, than other test forms

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Did you also increase your T dosage compared to enanthate. The ester weight makes not much difference (T:ester ratio 0.84 vs 0.72).

I was on 140 mg weekly of enanthate before switching. I've run 175 mg enanthate weekly before and the water retention was not as bad as 140 mg prop weekly.

I also had worse water retention on cream, similar to prop. Seems like the shorter acting forms are actually worse for me in this respect.

 

[Forty2]

I feel generally pretty good on enanthate but sort of zombie'ish. Many hypogonadal symptoms improved on it but I still didn't have much libido.

On prop so far I have a better mood, feeling sharper cognitively, no zombie feelings. Generally I am feeling more normal and more like my pre-TRT self, except without most of the hypogonadal symptoms. Libido might be a bit better too but I don't want to jinx anything.

Using Pharmacom test prop. Had to go UGL to find a solvent free formula unfortunately.

How are the prop crystals dissolved if no benzyl benzoate is used? Is ethyl oleate used in place of benzyl benzoate?

 

[Forty2]

Yes, sleeping very well so far.

Are you dosing it first thing in the morning?

 

[FunkOdyssey]

How are the prop crystals dissolved if no benzyl benzoate is used? Is ethyl oleate used in place of benzyl benzoate?

You don't need solvents to dissolve testosterone esters in oil. You need solvents to achieve the concentrations that people are accustomed to, with the exception of enanthate, which does not require any solvent to reach 200 mg/mL.

Ethyl oleate is only used in absurdly high concentration UGL products to dissolve heroic quantities of testosterone and other steroids.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Are you dosing it first thing in the morning?

Yes

 

[RotnGun]

I feel generally pretty good on enanthate but sort of zombie'ish. Many hypogonadal symptoms improved on it but I still didn't have much libido.

On prop so far I have a better mood, feeling sharper cognitively, no zombie feelings. Generally I am feeling more normal and more like my pre-TRT self, except without most of the hypogonadal symptoms. Libido might be a bit better too but I don't want to jinx anything.

Using Pharmacom test prop. Had to go UGL to find a solvent free formula unfortunately.

Thats a real coincidence. Im using the same brand too
Thats actually where I get my test phenypropionate from and my test prop.
Are you absolutely sure that Pharmacom doesn't use any BB or BA in their test prop?
If they don't use it, then what do they use as a preservative?

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Thats a real coincidence. Im using the same brand too
Thats actually where I get my test phenypropionate from and my test prop.
Are you absolutely sure that Pharmacom doesn't use any BB or BA in their test prop?
If they don't use it, then what do they use as a preservative?

Yeah, I was shocked by the professionalism around the packaging and documentation provided. Really impressive for a UGL.

They sell two test propionate formulas with different concentrations. The standard 100 mg/mL formula contains both BB and BA. The 50 mg/mL formula contains only BA as preservative.

 

[Mr_Fusion]

Thought it was just me or coincidence, during the time I used androgel I lost a lot of hair.

 

[Mr_Fusion]

How long were you on the Androgel and at what dosage?