Testosterone propionate supposedly the best ester?

[Gman86]

I tried doing cream with injections which got me to normal levels but I felt like a zombie with the dht lowering my e2 levels way too much. What’s your daily prop dose?

Did u try using the cream other places than ur testicles?

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

Does the Sub Q sting a bit? I have never tried Prop, I just ordered some.

I tried prop numerous times and never had any issue with pain of any kind. I think the people having issues are using much higher doses than most of us would use. My TRT weekly total is about 80-90mg.

 

[BadassBlues]

I'm trying to find a half-life and peak chart for propionate, no luck so far. Anyone have one?

 

[Pnw0031]

Did u try using the cream other places than ur testicles?

Yep, I tried shoulders and there still was an initial peak then a huge wave of exhaustion which is my tell tale sign e2 is getting a bit low. I tested my e2 on the combo and it was only 17 when I feel my best around 30.

 

[Pnw0031]

I'm trying to find a half-life and peak chart for propionate, no luck so far. Anyone have one?

The problem with prop is it’s super dependent on carrier oils and individual factors. If I had to estimate from my own test results it’s about a ~20 hour half life with Defy’s prop in GSO.

 

[Gman86]

I'm trying to find a half-life and peak chart for propionate, no luck so far. Anyone have one?

This should at least help with the half life

https://www.reddit.com/r/steroidsxx/comments/c9a248/do_you_really_know_about_steroid_esters

 

[Gman86]

Yep, I tried shoulders and there still was an initial peak then a huge wave of exhaustion which is my tell tale sign e2 is getting a bit low. I tested my e2 on the combo and it was only 17 when I feel my best around 30.

But if u applied it anywhere other than he testicles, it shouldn’t increase dht to a higher degree than any other form of exogenous test, right? So couldn’t u just have upped ur dose of ur E2 was too low for u? If u applied it anywhere but ur testicles, I don’t see u running into the issue of dht increasing proportionally higher than ur test and E2 levels increase, thus inhibiting E2 to a high degree, because of all the excess dht in ur system, like a guy could experience applying testosterone cream/ gel to their testicles

 

[Seagal]

Topical T application results in relatively higher DHT levels compared to injections.See e.g. androgel study.

 

[joikd]

For about the last year, I've been doing 20mg testosterone acetate daily in the mornings along with 500iu of HCG every other day. I have been a sex machine. That desire deep down to attack my girlfriend all day, every day is there. That's pretty much what I've been looking for since starting TRT in my early 30's (I'm now 50). Anyway, I've tried different esters and protocols, but this is the only protocol so far where the great sex drive results have stuck around. So, for me acetate is where it's at as of now. But, I needed that dose of HCG as well. It took both to get back to the young animal I used to be.

 

[camygod]

For about the last year, I've been doing 20mg testosterone acetate daily in the mornings along with 500iu of HCG every other day. I have been a sex machine. That desire deep down to attack my girlfriend all day, every day is there. That's pretty much what I've been looking for since starting TRT in my early 30's (I'm now 50). Anyway, I've tried different esters and protocols, but this is the only protocol so far where the great sex drive results have stuck around. So, for me acetate is where it's at as of now. But, I needed that dose of HCG as well. It took both to get back to the young animal I used to be.

Test ace seems really rare

 

[BadassBlues]

This should at least help with the half life

https://www.reddit.com/r/steroidsxx/comments/c9a248/do_you_really_know_about_steroid_esters

I would really like to see the peak chart to estimate dosing schedules.

 

[BadassBlues]

Test ace seems really rare

Yes, it must be compounded. That was one of, if not the first ester used back in the 30's.

 

[Mr_Fusion]

Topical T application results in relatively higher DHT levels compared to injections.See e.g. androgel study.

Yes indeed! The hair loss from the Androgel was like being back on chemo therapy. Injections for the win!!

 

[Mr_Fusion]

Does the Sub Q sting a bit? I have never tried Prop, I just ordered some.

Subq in glute fat is painless. I would avoid belly fat as I have had multiple irritations.

 

[Gman86]

For about the last year, I've been doing 20mg testosterone acetate daily in the mornings along with 500iu of HCG every other day. I have been a sex machine. That desire deep down to attack my girlfriend all day, every day is there. That's pretty much what I've been looking for since starting TRT in my early 30's (I'm now 50). Anyway, I've tried different esters and protocols, but this is the only protocol so far where the great sex drive results have stuck around. So, for me acetate is where it's at as of now. But, I needed that dose of HCG as well. It took both to get back to the young animal I used to be.

No need to control estrogen on this protocol? Any negatives to the protocol, or u pretty much feel/ function good in all areas?

 

[Pnw0031]

But if u applied it anywhere other than he testicles, it shouldn’t increase dht to a higher degree than any other form of exogenous test, right? So couldn’t u just have upped ur dose of ur E2 was too low for u? If u applied it anywhere but ur testicles, I don’t see u running into the issue of dht increasing proportionally higher than ur test and E2 levels increase, thus inhibiting E2 to a high degree, because of all the excess dht in ur system, like a guy could experience applying testosterone cream/ gel to their testicles

Skin still has an extremely high 5ar concentration regardless of location. I have test results to prove different e2 on injection+cream vs injection only at the same test level and using the same ester (for injection)

 

[joikd]

No need to control estrogen on this protocol? Any negatives to the protocol, or u pretty much feel/ function good in all areas?

Nope. That's it.

The only thing that changed for me compared to other protocols was all the good sex stuff. Gym, energy, etc. all feel the same no matter what protocol I have done.

 

[Forty2]

The problem with prop is it’s super dependent on carrier oils and individual factors. If I had to estimate from my own test results it’s about a ~20 hour half life with Defy’s prop in GSO.

Would prop in MCT oil lengthen or shorten the half life?

 

[Forty2]

Free of benzyl benzoate which constitutes 10-20% of typical formulas. Still has smaller (1-2%) amount of benzyl alcohol as preservative.

What is the function of benzyl benzoate?
I wonder, for guys in countries where it legal to make their own prop, if eliminating bb would cause any increased risk of infection?

 

[Forty2]

I've been on a solvent-free prop for a few weeks and agree with the sentiment - so far, better than everything else I've tried to date.

What's your dose, frequency and injection location?