Usually the sides come from the test and not the deca itself. Its worth to study all the material and read all the posts of deca only FB group like Taeian Clarks "The Camel Cult". He researched Deca and nutrition daily for the last 20 years and thinks "outside the box". His group is doing fine on Deca only protocols and only a small amount of men like to add a little bit of test for E2. Others prefer different ways of managing that or do just fine on Deca only. Test elevates E2 which impacts different functions of the body resulting in a lot of different side effects like for example E2 impairs bile flow thus some run into digestion problems. Also some men over time develop adrenal insufficiency which impairs Cortisol production. Also I believe over time the long-term impaired E2 effect touches the brain and cognitive functions as some men feel absolutely terrible on TRT in this aspect. Their memory goes down, word recall function goes down, speaking gets more retarded and so on and so forth. Tons of side effects nobody wants so Deca shines here. But like with everything its all trial and error. Special thanks goes to @Gman86 for intruducing me to the group. Taeian is a great dude and helped me with my digestion issues. Learned a fucking ton. I'm hardly impressed but gotta give him props for all the work he's done on Deca and Nutrition in general. Highly recommended stuff.
Just takes a long time for things to catch on. Plus I just think that most doctors aren’t willing to try many new things, even doctors that don’t take insurance and work at hormone clinics. Most doctors probably don’t have time to do research on this stuff, and just don’t come by anecdotes of people trying this with good success, since theres not much out there of guys talking about nandrolone based protocols. So most of them probably have just never even heard of guys using a nandrolone base, let alone done enough research into it to understand why and how it works as an TRT alternative. Plus, there’s no studies that I know of where they had guys on nandrolone solo, or nandrolone with small amounts of test, and trialed it to see how guys did as an HRT option. So without studies done on the topic, it’s probably gonna be rare for most doctors to be open to trialing it with their patients, I would imagine
I personally am with Defy and get mine compounded via Empower pharmacy, and filled through a prescription by Defy. Pay out of pocket. It’s costs me $80 for a 5ml vial of deca
Don’t think any protocol is going to a be a full blown panacea, but a dialed in and specifically tailored HRT protocol can absolutely be life changing. TRT alone has done this for thousands and thousands of males at this point. And I’ve come across many many anecdotes of guys talking about the pain relief from nandrolone, in addition to their TRT, being absolutely life changing. So long story short, nandrolone can be the missing key for some guys, but isn’t anything more spectacular than test or anything. Just another tool in our toolbox. But again, can absolutely be the missing link for some guys
Just want to mention this, cuz I think it’s important for guys to understand. Yes, the reason test works so well as an androgen replacement, is because it converts into important metabolites, such as E2 and DHT. The reason nandrolone works just as well, when used properly, is due to it converting into metabolites that are mandatory for the male body as well. Test converts mainly into E2, as far as estrogens go. Nandrolone also converts into E2, just at an extremely low rate. However, it converts into E1 at a higher rate than test. E1 can carry out the same functions as E2, it’s just a lot weaker than E2, so it takes much more of it to carry out the same functions within the body. That’s why if a guy does a high enough dose of nandrolone, when using it solo, they can feel as good, if not better, than on test solo. It’s because their estrogens, as a whole, are enough for the body to carry out the functions it needs to feel and function optimally. The problem with this is, the dose of nandrolone a guy needs to take, when using it solo, might be too high of a total androgen load to maintain optimal health long term.
It’s actually the opposite lol. Well with nandrolone alone. Nandrolone by itself converts extremely little into estradiol, and therefore prolactin will be low as well on nandrolone solo, since estradiol is the main stimulator of prolactin production in the male body.
Definitely keep us posted on how things end up going. Very curious to see how u do. What’s ur protocol?
I mean u definitely don’t want to be deficient in any hormone long term. But I don’t think u have to worry about low DHT issues. DHN does the same exact things that dht does, it’s just like having a lot less dht than if u were taking test. But then with the low dose of test in there, it should result in plenty of receptor activation between the dhn and dht in ur system.
I’ve never heard that nandrolone can do this. Any links to vids or material talking about this?
Thanks, I’ll definitely check them out! Taeian knows his stuff when it comes to nandrolone, so i do take what he says about it into heavy consideration. Gonna watch these now real quick.
Looking forward to seeing what his reply looks like
After watching the vids, it does sound like it’s just a general quality of all AAS. But I’m kind of confused as to what these AAS are doing specifically, vs what happens when not on them. For example, it sounds like while on AAS, glucose tends to get into the muscles easier, or the muscles can hold more glycogen, or more glucose goes to the muscles than normally, or a mix of all of the above. And once the muscles are full with glycogen, glucose then gets sent to the liver. I’m sure after sending glucose to all other cells in the body that need it.
