My first experience with hcg was heaven. Problem i can't replicate first experience

rimster · May 23, 2023

My first time using hcg the intimate experience two days later was nothing like i can ever remember. Sensitivity and hardness was unmatched since my early twenties and i don't even remember it being that good back then. However it was a one time experience and it never happened again. On hcg twice a week and daily test 16 mg. Having problems with sensitivity and ed issues. Anyone have a similar experience and know how to replicate it? Should i stop it for two weeks and then try again? Thanks in advance

Systemlord · May 23, 2023

HCG may be the problem. Also remember, you’re trying to circumvent a disease process. Your body is smart and so you can’t fool it for long.

I had a similar experience with all my type 2 diabetes medicines, first dose amazing things happened, second dose things return to as they were because taking a drug doesn’t change the fact I have diabetes.

What are your current health conditions?

What steps have you taken to improve said medical conditions?

Willyt · May 23, 2023

Don't chase the dragon! Its gone and it ain't coming back

aneuman · May 23, 2023

rimster said:
My first time using hcg the intimate experience two days later was nothing like i can ever remember. Sensitivity and hardness was unmatched since my early twenties and i don't even remember it being that good back then. However it was a one time experience and it never happened again. On hcg twice a week and daily test 16 mg. Having problems with sensitivity and ed issues. Anyone have a similar experience and know how to replicate it? Should i stop it for two weeks and then try again? Thanks in advance

I hear you @rimster. Been there, done that. It seems that the body has found homeostasis at a point that's not very gratifying for us, you can shake it for a bit, but it always comes back to where it was.

I don't think there's much you can do. I've done everything: diet, exercise (cardio and weights), sleep, supplements, no supplements. All my health markers are good in my latest blood work and I don't have any health conditions. I have lost weight, gained weight, nothing brings back the feelings of that first HCG shot.

DS3 · May 23, 2023

Changing the protocol has always helped me relive the honeymoon phase. For example, you could change your twice weekly HCG dosing to every day or EOD, or you could go for a larger once weekly shot for a period of time.

I have always found that rekindling the honeymoon via a protocol change has been a necessary strategy for me to continue doing OKAY on TRT.

rimster · May 23, 2023

Thanks guys for your help. You guys are the best.
At 37 i had extreme fatigue and ed issues. My tt came at 150! Ever since i was on testeorone my fatigue resolved.( Thanks to your book Nelson which educated me at getting the right diagnosis fast) My ed is on and off but much better than before. Sensitivity is still an issue if anyone has good ideas. I tried small doses of hcg every day but that seemed to make feel worse as systemlord pointed out so too much hcg for me is not good. I'm gonna try every ten days but hope it won't mess with my fertility as we're trying to conceive. God bless you all

aneuman · May 23, 2023

DS3 said:
Changing the protocol has always helped me relive the honeymoon phase. For example, you could change your twice weekly HCG dosing to every day or EOD, or you could go for a larger once weekly shot for a period of time.

I have always found that rekindling the honeymoon via a protocol change has been a necessary strategy for me to continue doing OKAY on TRT.

Good for you! I've changed from 2000 IU a week to 200 IU every day to every possibility in between (never exceeding 2000 a week total), and nothing brings back the amazing feeling I had during the first couple of weeks. Everything under the sun was better.

Unfortunately, my doctor did not order any labs at that time and I have no idea which parameters I was operating on when I found El Dorado; the map is lost, and I can't find it again.

t_spacemonkey · May 23, 2023

switching to daily Tprop gave a large boost. erection each AM. less e2 highs. on cyp no morning wood. overall i feel way better on Tprop then Tcyp

rimster · May 23, 2023

t_spacemonkey said:
switching to daily Tprop gave a large boost. erection each AM. less e2 highs. on cyp no morning wood. overall i feel way better on Tprop then Tcyp

That's interesting. How long were you on the prop for ? Can it be still early honeymoon stage? When i switched from cream to cyp i had a honey moon phase for a month

rimster · May 23, 2023

aneuman said:
Good for you! I've changed from 2000 IU a week to 200 IU every day to every possibility in between (never exceeding 2000 a week total), and nothing brings back the amazing feeling I had during the first couple of weeks. Everything under the sun was better.

Unfortunately, my doctor did not order any labs at that time and I have no idea which parameters I was operating on when I found El Dorado; the map is lost, and I can't find it again.

Did you ever try stopping hcg for two weeks? Maybe the body will "forget"

t_spacemonkey · May 23, 2023

rimster said:
That's interesting. How long were you on the prop for ? Can it be still early honeymoon stage? When i switched from cream to cyp i had a honey moon phase for a month

I don't think this is a honeymoon phase. this most likely has to do with peaks and lows which more mimic a natural cycle. not sure what else. i've ran a test went back on cyp, and just don't feel as good, a bit more anxious.

rimster · May 23, 2023

t_spacemonkey said:
I don't think this is a honeymoon phase. this most likely has to do with peaks and lows which more mimic a natural cycle. not sure what else. i've ran a test went back on cyp, and just don't feel as good, a bit more anxious.

I'm a daily injection guy. Tried every other way and if i don't do daily i immediately feel low t symptoms. Will t prop be a good try for people who need daily like me?

Systemlord · May 23, 2023

rimster said:
I'm a daily injection guy. Tried every other way and if i don't do daily i immediately feel low t symptoms. Will t prop be a good try for people who need daily like me?

Jatenzo would be even better, twice daily dosing.

rimster · May 23, 2023

Systemlord said:
Jatenzo would be even better, twice daily dosing.

Is that oral? If injections it would be too hard. And why is it better

Systemlord · May 23, 2023

rimster said:
Is that oral?

Yes, it’s oral.

rimster said:
If injections it would be too hard. And why is it better

I’d rather take an oral twice daily than inject daily. If I’m going to be out and about later in the day, I can put the gel capsule in my keychain/pill container rather than having to bring my vial, alcohol wipes and syringes with me.

If you respond better to daily injections, maybe twice daily will be even better for you. The clinical trials showed equal effectiveness to injections (998 peak and 300> trough levels).

Jatenzo produces higher DHT versus injections.

Jatenzo is expensive, full insurance coverage (low copay) is a must!

Nelson Vergel tried to get a competing brand to Jatenzo covered, $600+ per refill.

Willyt · May 23, 2023

rimster said:
I'm a daily injection guy. Tried every other way and if i don't do daily i immediately feel low t symptoms. Will t prop be a good try for people who need daily like me?

Prop is fast acting so yes its best used daily. There are couple of great threads on the topic.

rimster · May 23, 2023

Willyt said:
Prop is fast acting so yes its best used daily. There are couple of great threads on the topic.

Thanks. I don't think I'll get insurance to cover the oral. If i do get the prop do i use the same amount of mg that I'm doing on the cyp? Or is it gonna be it's own dosage

Jerajera · May 24, 2023

rimster said:
On hcg twice a week

What dose? Have you tried a different injection frequency?

aneuman said:
I've changed from 2000 IU a week to 200 IU every day to every possibility in between (never exceeding 2000 a week total), and nothing brings back the amazing feeling I had during the first couple of weeks

Have you tried a dose lower than 200iu/day?

I think there's a study showing that 250iu EoD (= 125iu/day) was enough to regain 93% testicular function. 200iu/day on top of some exogenous Test might be too high for some men to get away with

Willyt · May 24, 2023

rimster said:
Thanks. I don't think I'll get insurance to cover the oral. If i do get the prop do i use the same amount of mg that I'm doing on the cyp? Or is it gonna be it's own dosage

Lower your daily dose for sure. Prop has much higher peak than either Cyp/Enan. It can be bit of a rough ride because of the peaks and valleys which is why some guys guys blend prop and enanthate

t_spacemonkey · May 24, 2023

rimster said:
I'm a daily injection guy. Tried every other way and if i don't do daily i immediately feel low t symptoms. Will t prop be a good try for people who need daily like me?

Prop has a 1/2 life of 24h or so. this is definitely a daily injection ester

My first experience with hcg was heaven. Problem i can't replicate first experience

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