(DR RUTTERBUSCH ON DECA)
(lifting dermatologist and dr rutterbusch discuss deca)
(Dr Carlson deca and test together)
(another Dr Carlson deca vid)
(dr Lichten talks quite a bit about deca in this)
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(lifting dermatologist and dr rutterbusch discuss deca)
(Dr Carlson deca and test together)
(another Dr Carlson deca vid)
(dr Lichten talks quite a bit about deca in this)
FunkOdyssey
Seeker of Wisdom
Supplemental potassium is a really harsh ingredient for the upper GI tract and it can actually cause ulceration by itself. It's a strange phenomenon because potassium in whole foods is completely benign. You don't want to be consuming alot of potassium powder if you're having issues like gastritis or GERD though.
Belekas
nobody
Thanks for pointing that out. Thing is I might have become potassium deficient from not eating carbs. Who knows. Today will be 3rd day i'll try eating them. Yesterday had around 150g that consisted of mostly Jasmine rice and some boiled white potatoes before sleep. Yesterday felt like crap as well with a feeling of heart beating stronger then ever and elevated BP. Anxious AF. Today injection day so plan is to skip it and lower the dose again on the next injection after 4 days. I know that potassium citrate doesn't work like chloride at all if you want to raise levels. I'm also still loosing weight. Lightest i've been in 2-3 years...
Belekas
nobody
Thanks mate will watch them over the weekend,)
Belekas
nobody
Just had breakfast, watched a few Dr Thomas O. Connor aka TheAnabolicDoc videos, after being yesterday first time in his MAN2MAN meeting via Zoom. Will see where this one goes so no comments yet.
Now after breakfast I'll have some fun and watch Prof Bart Kay video on MD Paul Saladino. Always great for a laugh or two : )
p.s. 4th day having carbs up to ±150g/day. Soaked Jasmine rice and boiled potatoes with butter. Fingers crossed.
Also Prof Bart Kay and Dr Thomas O. Connor are at the two opposite extremes FWIW. Bart is all for a meat based only Carnivore diet and Thomas O. Connor towards the DASH diet with minimizing salt intake for sensitive to hypertenstion folks. Be intereting to have them both on live debate but I not hard to think there it would go lol
Now after breakfast I'll have some fun and watch Prof Bart Kay video on MD Paul Saladino. Always great for a laugh or two : )
p.s. 4th day having carbs up to ±150g/day. Soaked Jasmine rice and boiled potatoes with butter. Fingers crossed.
Also Prof Bart Kay and Dr Thomas O. Connor are at the two opposite extremes FWIW. Bart is all for a meat based only Carnivore diet and Thomas O. Connor towards the DASH diet with minimizing salt intake for sensitive to hypertenstion folks. Be intereting to have them both on live debate but I not hard to think there it would go lol
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Belekas
nobody
Whats your BG 2hrs after eating guys?
Just measured mine and its 5.5mmol/L or 99mg/dL respectively and I had 200g of ground beef (1/2 10% 1/2 20%) and 50g of Jasmine rice for breakfast.
Also my HbA1c is 28mmol/mol or 4.7% respectively.
Glucose control looks good FWIW and always have been on point even when eating huge amount of "good" carbs including quick burning carbs like post-workout cereals, bagels, jam, etc. Not sure what it was back in the young days though when size and strenght was all that matters and was eating absurd amounts of food to get big or go home.
Measure mine fasted in the morning and keep a little log as well but don't obsess. IMO always pays to know how your BG looks especially for men on TRT/androgens.
Just measured mine and its 5.5mmol/L or 99mg/dL respectively and I had 200g of ground beef (1/2 10% 1/2 20%) and 50g of Jasmine rice for breakfast.
Also my HbA1c is 28mmol/mol or 4.7% respectively.
Glucose control looks good FWIW and always have been on point even when eating huge amount of "good" carbs including quick burning carbs like post-workout cereals, bagels, jam, etc. Not sure what it was back in the young days though when size and strenght was all that matters and was eating absurd amounts of food to get big or go home.
Measure mine fasted in the morning and keep a little log as well but don't obsess. IMO always pays to know how your BG looks especially for men on TRT/androgens.
Thanks for sharing. This is interesting. I'm also dealing with cracking joints so this is useful info.
Belekas
nobody
I don't like this Gil guy but he says there are studies on rats FWIW that Nandrolone/Deca inceases CV risks. What do you think about this one @Gman86? I know that means not much and probably the poison is in the dose, as with most things. Most likely because the lack of Estradiol which is cardio protective.
Belekas
nobody
I've read most Deca/Nandrolone threads here and been watching all there is on YouTube lately. Also I've read that Nelson been on it for a long time and has nothing but good words about it. Will read his first book as there should be a lot of info about this. All the videos and whatever about this one is more then welcome guys. Share away 
Belekas
nobody
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Ya I can’t name one person that likes Gil. Maybe in real life he’s different. But as far as how he comes across on the internet, can’t think of one person that enjoys his personality/ the way he interacts with others/ the way he delivers information
You basically summed up my thoughts tho. First off, I’m not gonna put too many of my eggs in any study done on rats. We’re not rats lol. Plus I don’t ever trust the dosage conversions that they use in these rat studies. I don’t think it’s possible to properly convert a dosage given to a rat, to a similar dosage given to a human. And vice versa. Doesn’t seem like they ever get the weight conversions correct, between a human and a rat, and even if they did get that perfect, I just don’t trust that the same dosage, per kg of bodyweight, would effect both a rat and a human the same.
and I just don’t put any weight really into studies assessing the cardiovascular effects of using a nandrolone solo protocol. Due to what u mentioned. The fact that nandrolone alone, in therapeutic dosages, will not produce enough E2 to give the cardiovascular protection that healthy E2 levels offer. So between this low E2 issue, not knowing if the dosage conversion per kg of body weight matches up properly or not, and the fact that the study was done on rats, and not humans, basically makes it a completely useless study to extrapolate any applicable data from, imo
the fact that people like Gil pedal data from crap studies like this like it’s gospel, strictly because it’s a “study” drives me nuts! Because most people think that as long as the info is coming from a study, it has to be 100% accurate, and not debatable. So when people pedal data from crap studies like this, and it then gets repeated by others, it eventually just becomes “common knowledge” on the subject, and then it becomes a matter of needing solid data to refute ”facts” that are complete bullsh*t to begin with.
Same thing happens with diet all the time. Red meat and pastured egg yolks are two of the healthiest foods a human can consume. But since most people have been taught that they are two of the worst offenders, when it comes to the cardiovascular system, most of their lives, it becomes a matter of someone needing proof, nowadays, to convince anyone otherwise, when the people saying that they are both bad for us, and will give someone a cardiovascular event in not time if they regularly consume them, should be the ones that have to prove why they’re actually as bad as they say they are.
basically I’m not gonna believe that something is the case until I see a solid study done on it, that’s not corrupt or flawed. Until I see that study showing that nandrolone, in therapeutic dosages (1mg-100mg/ week for a male) used along with another compound that allows for the person to have E2 levels in a healthy range, can harm the cardiovascular system, I’m not gonna believe that it does, just because of what other people have extrapolated from flawed studies.
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This again is why I put more weight into real life results, than I do flawed studies
According to some studies done on nandrolone solo therapy, it supposedly can cause left ventricular hypertrophy. But where are all these men with LVH that have used nandrolone? Shouldn’t nelson have a pretty bad case of LVH at this point? Also, if u Google it, the main cause of LVH is high blood pressure. I would assume anyone using a decent amount of androgens, with very low E2 levels, will be at a high risk of having high BP. So even if there is a chance that nandrolone can cause LVH, it seems like it‘s not really even an issue as long as u keep the dosage in a therapeutic range, as well as just optimize diet and lifestyle to keep blood pressure in a healthy range.
also, according to studies, and/ or word of mouth, nandrolone is supposedly more suppressive to fertility than testosterone. I think it’s theorized that it’s more suppressive due to nandrolone being a progestin. But I had zero issues getting my gf pregnant recently while using testosterone, nandrolone and 1000iu’s of HCG/ week. We conceived the first month that we tried. And I have been on HRT for 10 years now, and have used nandrolone for a good amount of that time, and have used it nonstop for at least a couple years now
So again, I have just found it much more efficacious to put more weight into real world results/ anecdotes, than flawed studies that produce results that rarely end up being the case in the real world day to day
According to some studies done on nandrolone solo therapy, it supposedly can cause left ventricular hypertrophy. But where are all these men with LVH that have used nandrolone? Shouldn’t nelson have a pretty bad case of LVH at this point? Also, if u Google it, the main cause of LVH is high blood pressure. I would assume anyone using a decent amount of androgens, with very low E2 levels, will be at a high risk of having high BP. So even if there is a chance that nandrolone can cause LVH, it seems like it‘s not really even an issue as long as u keep the dosage in a therapeutic range, as well as just optimize diet and lifestyle to keep blood pressure in a healthy range.
also, according to studies, and/ or word of mouth, nandrolone is supposedly more suppressive to fertility than testosterone. I think it’s theorized that it’s more suppressive due to nandrolone being a progestin. But I had zero issues getting my gf pregnant recently while using testosterone, nandrolone and 1000iu’s of HCG/ week. We conceived the first month that we tried. And I have been on HRT for 10 years now, and have used nandrolone for a good amount of that time, and have used it nonstop for at least a couple years now
So again, I have just found it much more efficacious to put more weight into real world results/ anecdotes, than flawed studies that produce results that rarely end up being the case in the real world day to day
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Belekas
nobody
Testosterone, mood, behaviour and quality of life
And one last thing lol. I can’t stand when people try to make some people on HRT feel like they’re rapidly killing themselves, anytime they us 200mg+ of testosterone, and/ or add in a compound such as a DHT derivative, or even nandrolone at times. Meanwhile, nobody gives anyone a hard time about a crap diet, drinking alcohol too much, not exercising enough, not controlling stress well, not sleeping well, and or not controlling their vital signs very well, mainly BP.
Meanwhile, if blood pressure is the main cause of LVH, isn’t a guy not on HRT, that has high blood pressure, due to whatever lifestyle factors are to blame, at a much much higher risk of getting LVH than a guy on HRT with a healthy blood pressure that is using a therapeutic dose of nandrolone in his protocol?
It just annoys me when guys try to scare other men, and make them think they’re gonna drop dead of a cardiovascular event in the very near future, or taking years and years off their life, simply because they want to push the limits of HRT a bit, whilst there’s plenty of guys out there using 150mg of testosterone, or less, eating a poor diet, not exercising enough, or at all, not managing stress well, not sleeping well, with not ideal vital signs, that are doing WAY more damage to themselves overtime than a man that has all these variables optimized, but is using say 200-300mg of testosterone per week. At least imo. It just bothers me when guys over exaggerate the potential negative effects of using say 200-300mg of testosterone per week, and drastically downplay the negative effects of just having a poor diet, let alone a person that has issues in all the areas I mentioned above.
Meanwhile, if blood pressure is the main cause of LVH, isn’t a guy not on HRT, that has high blood pressure, due to whatever lifestyle factors are to blame, at a much much higher risk of getting LVH than a guy on HRT with a healthy blood pressure that is using a therapeutic dose of nandrolone in his protocol?
It just annoys me when guys try to scare other men, and make them think they’re gonna drop dead of a cardiovascular event in the very near future, or taking years and years off their life, simply because they want to push the limits of HRT a bit, whilst there’s plenty of guys out there using 150mg of testosterone, or less, eating a poor diet, not exercising enough, or at all, not managing stress well, not sleeping well, with not ideal vital signs, that are doing WAY more damage to themselves overtime than a man that has all these variables optimized, but is using say 200-300mg of testosterone per week. At least imo. It just bothers me when guys over exaggerate the potential negative effects of using say 200-300mg of testosterone per week, and drastically downplay the negative effects of just having a poor diet, let alone a person that has issues in all the areas I mentioned above.
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Belekas
nobody
Thanks for the detailed reply mate and i agree absolutely with everything you've said on all counts. To be honest most of these so called studies are just associations and show no real cause and effect. I've watched a lot of Prof Bart Kays videos and tried to depict his brain when analysing them "studies" so basically most of them goes straight to the bin. Like with red meat alone theres zero studies that show cause and effect of it being deadly but also theres zero studies that show cause and effect of other diet being deadly as well. To test that pretty much is impossible and all them associations don't mean much or as much as others are talking about.
Belekas
nobody
Yeah eating crap, drinking, smoking, living like a piece of shit doesn't matter but 200mg test will kill you lol People these days are dumb af and even butter is harder then most of them. If you are feeling good, bloodowork looks good, everything optimized and you are not pushing mega doses then thats probably wont kill you but ofc that depends on many underlying issues one might have and never knew about them and which become apparent only after your death. Which also comes naturally right, but with help of androgens perhaps you called your death faster but perhaps not as well, its all gray area. And im not talking about IFBB league dosages for years/decades where your blood work looks great one day and next day you already on your death bed counting your last days if any at all. Seen too many pro bodybuilders pass away like that in the last 20 years I'm serious with my own training, nutrition and overall health.
I have a mate who does 1g test week sometimes and feels exactly same as on 250g per week. Sometimes he forgets to pin so pins once a month and feels the same lol and im here fucking sweating, splitting, counting, doing 50mg per week and fuck all LMAO unbelievable how we all are different and unique and everyones millage varys.
Exactly! ya I’m loving that guys breakdowns of people and studies as well lately, and I agree, the way he breaks things down is making me use more of my common sense and critical thinking skills when assessing things now, than I had been previous to watching him
and ya diet studies are such a joke. Don’t even get me started on on all the flaws that diet studies are littered with
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