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yes, 30mg/d is signed of by my doctor. i honestly don't feel good below 25mg/d. my free T cycles between 75 peak 30 low roughly on that protocol. I worked slowly to that level from 120mg/week over 2 years. I go purely by the way I feel and don't care about dosing and levels too much, as long as other markers are fine. my rbc/htc is elevated but there is no much difference between 120/210mg and there is a whole other discussion what levels are acceptable, different lab ranges etc.
my general doc thinks I do great. i look and feel great. BF% went from 30->20 (10 to go). libido sky high. i don't know what to tell the lab number chaser crowd here. get a life!
Love it. Keep doing what ur doing brotha. I learned years ago that in order to get my free T to where I feel my best, I need my total at least 1600, minimum! When on a test base, usually keep it between 1600-2000. At those levels I EASILY keep all my labs/ health markers where I like them, and keep my vital signs optimal. It’s comical to me when guys try to scare other guys into thinking they’re killing themselves by running total test levels above 1000, and/ or running 200-250mg/ week of test. It’s honestly a joke. Like what is supposedly killing these men that fall into one, or both, of these scenarios? Elevated HCT, high BP? I genuinely want to know. Keeping HCT under 54-55%, while using 200-250mg of test per week, for example, is extremely easy. Same with keeping BP within range. So what else is there that’s supposedly “killing” men that fall into on, or both of these groups?

People love to parrot things that they think are true, without researching the topic for themselves/ using common sense/ critical thinking skills. I see the same thing every day in my real life. People saying “don’t eat raw eggs cuz u’ll get salmonella and get sick” “don’t eat raw meat, u’ll get parasites/ get sick” “don’t eat a ton of saturated fat, u’ll have a heart attack” “make sure to eat veggies, they’re good for u”, etc, etc. Meanwhile, veggies are trying to kill us, I eat a ton of saturated fat each day, and cardiovascular health is top notch, I eat at least 4 raw egg yolks every day, and have done so without getting sick for 5 years now, and consume the liver and heart all the time, again without getting sick. Point being, people like to parrot things that they “think” are true, without actually knowing the truth/ being able to back up the facts. Not saying I know everything, js that instead of people just parroting things they’ve heard, like they’re facts, let’s have a conversation about the topic, and bring facts to the table, and use common sense, critical thinking skills, and figure out why both parties feel the way they do about the topic.

Ur currently using 210mg/ week of test, if my math is correct, which is absolutely nothing to be concerned about, health wise, imo, but even when u were using 280mg/ week, I’m not sure what the problem is, and why people think that dose is any worse for ur health than someone that eats processed foods regularly, or drinks soda regularly, or drinks alcohol regularly, or someone that doesn’t exercise regularly, or someone that doesn’t sleep well, or someone that is stressed out all the time. I’d take being on 280mg of test per week over any of those other scenarios, as far as my overall health is concerned, any day!!
 
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Take that Cortex Lab dude with a grain of salt. He has said some really wrong things in the past, and if you watch his podcast with VigorousSteve you realize he is a compete amateur in his knowledge. He tries to carve out a nootropic niche and sells private label products, and maybe he knows more about that, but he is terrible at TRT stuff. For example, he advocated keeping estradiol is a small range with AIs, I think 20-25, or else you get tons of side effects which is complete crap.
Idk, I’ve really appreciated his opinions on things, from the vids I’ve watched. He goes over a lot of anecdotal evidence, as well as some research based evidence, that shows that some guys do well within a fairly tight range of E2, on average. Does that mean that’s where every guy is going to feel and function their best sexually, of course not. Nobody should ever listen to someone’s info, or read a study showing certain results, or listen to anecdotes, and think that these things apply to everyone. We’re all way too different, in regards to our genetics, the states our bodies are in, what our bodies are exposed to on a regular basis, and what we are actively putting in/ doing to our bodies on a regular basis. So for me, I wouldn’t say what this guy has to say is wrong, or not worth listening to, I would just say that whoever is listening to him, has to realize the things I mentioned above, and not take what he’s saying as gospel. Same goes for listening to anyone putting out/ sharing info on things. So long story short, I guess I agree with u. I would definitely take what he says with a grain of salt. But I do that with anyone I’m receiving knowledge from, for the most part
 
He already switched to a new scrotal cream and proviron protocol to test the effects of maxing out DHT. I assume he's on a mission to lose his hair.
Interesting. Haven’t watched his vids in a while, I’ll have to checkout his rationale for wanting to try and max out DHT. Seems like he enjoys his hair quite a bit, so I wonder if he thinks he’s not going to experience significant hair loss, or if he just doesn’t care if he does or not. Either way, I actually appreciate the fact that he’s constantly experimenting and trialing and erroring with different protocols and different compounds, and different combinations of compounds. I think we can learn a lot from people like him, that are willing to experiment with their own bodies like this, and then share their findings/ experiences with so many people
 
He already switched to a new scrotal cream and proviron protocol to test the effects of maxing out DHT. I assume he's on a mission to lose his hair.
How does he not have low e2 symptoms on that protocol?! I swear to God almighty! Forget hair loss, how about bone loss from e2 antagonism. When I tried the scrotal cream I needed to use injections alongside it because the dht was wayyyyy too much. Felt like I had zero estrogen in my body, wasn’t fun.
 
How does he not have low e2 symptoms on that protocol?! I swear to God almighty! Forget hair loss, how about bone loss from e2 antagonism. When I tried the scrotal cream I needed to use injections alongside it because the dht was wayyyyy too much. Felt like I had zero estrogen in my body, wasn’t fun.
He does use hCG in all his protocols, so that would contribute some estrogen to the equation.
 
Interesting. Haven’t watched his vids in a while, I’ll have to checkout his rationale for wanting to try and max out DHT. Seems like he enjoys his hair quite a bit, so I wonder if he thinks he’s not going to experience significant hair loss, or if he just doesn’t care if he does or not. Either way, I actually appreciate the fact that he’s constantly experimenting and trialing and erroring with different protocols and different compounds, and different combinations of compounds. I think we can learn a lot from people like him, that are willing to experiment with their own bodies like this, and then share their findings/ experiences with so many people
I agree and I appreciate all his experimentation. For one thing, it gives him plenty of interesting things to talk about on YouTube. Beyond that, I think if you are going to be a TRT guru / health coach, you will be more effective if you have tried a wider array of protocols. Obviously you won't respond in exactly the same way as your clients, but you will still develop some useful firsthand knowledge that you wouldn't have otherwise.
 
Interesting. Haven’t watched his vids in a while, I’ll have to checkout his rationale for wanting to try and max out DHT. Seems like he enjoys his hair quite a bit, so I wonder if he thinks he’s not going to experience significant hair loss, or if he just doesn’t care if he does or not. Either way, I actually appreciate the fact that he’s constantly experimenting and trialing and erroring with different protocols and different compounds, and different combinations of compounds. I think we can learn a lot from people like him, that are willing to experiment with their own bodies like this, and then share their findings/ experiences with so many people
I'm curious as to his motivation behind that protocol. That is usually someone looking for a libido boost. I have finally found a source for androstanolone and will be making my own DHT gel once it arrives. It's not easy to find anymore. Andractim is no longer as well. I have never tried Proviron, that is easily obtained.
 
My GP wrote me a prescription for Test-P, but I'm having a helluva time getting it filled, at least at any sort of decent price. Tried Empower, which would have been a good price. However, I had a bad customer service experience with them that culminated with them telling me - only after I checked in with them over a week after placing and paying for my order, without hearing anything from them - that they don't have Test-P in stock and don't know when, if at all, they'll have it back. Does anyone have a recommendation for a pharmacy where I could actually get this stuff without paying loanshark prices for it? At this point, I'm thinking UGL will be my only option.
 
My GP wrote me a prescription for Test-P, but I'm having a helluva time getting it filled, at least at any sort of decent price. Tried Empower, which would have been a good price. However, I had a bad customer service experience with them that culminated with them telling me - only after I checked in with them over a week after placing and paying for my order, without hearing anything from them - that they don't have Test-P in stock and don't know when, if at all, they'll have it back. Does anyone have a recommendation for a pharmacy where I could actually get this stuff without paying loanshark prices for it? At this point, I'm thinking UGL will be my only option.
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I'm curious as to his motivation behind that protocol. That is usually someone looking for a libido boost. I have finally found a source for androstanolone and will be making my own DHT gel once it arrives. It's not easy to find anymore. Andractim is no longer as well. I have never tried Proviron, that is easily obtained.
Ya I’m curious too. Just queued up a few recent vids he put out that have to do with DHT. Gonna try watching them as soon as I can. This might be the vid that started it all, based on the title and when he put it out. Seems like the first vid that got him going down the DHT rabbit hole.

In regards to u sourcing straight DHT, what’s ur intended purpose for using it? U plan on applying it to ur penis in hopes of improving some aspect of sexual function? Or u planning on using it topically, elsewhere, to simply increase ur DHT levels? If the latter, what are the benefits ur hoping to see?

 
My GP wrote me a prescription for Test-P, but I'm having a helluva time getting it filled, at least at any sort of decent price. Tried Empower, which would have been a good price. However, I had a bad customer service experience with them that culminated with them telling me - only after I checked in with them over a week after placing and paying for my order, without hearing anything from them - that they don't have Test-P in stock and don't know when, if at all, they'll have it back. Does anyone have a recommendation for a pharmacy where I could actually get this stuff without paying loanshark prices for it? At this point, I'm thinking UGL will be my only option.

I’m currently using empower’s test prop. If I weren’t able to get it from them, I can’t think of one other option, apart from getting it from my UGL source
 
I’m currently using empower’s test prop. If I weren’t able to get it from them, I can’t think of one other option, apart from getting it from my UGL source
Well, according to what their rep told me Monday, they are out of stock and have no idea when or whether they'll get it back in. However, my experience with them was so weird that I wouldn't be surprised if you get a different answer. Can't say I'm a fan of how they run their business.

I've contacted several other compounding pharmacies. Some have said they don't carry it and won't compound it (non-sterile), others have said they could order it for me at about four times the price I would have paid with Empower. I'm waiting to hear back on prices from two sterile compounding pharmacies who said they would compound it for me.
 
Well, according to what their rep told me Monday, they are out of stock and have no idea when or whether they'll get it back in. However, my experience with them was so weird that I wouldn't be surprised if you get a different answer. Can't say I'm a fan of how they run their business.

I've contacted several other compounding pharmacies. Some have said they don't carry it and won't compound it (non-sterile), others have said they could order it for me at about four times the price I would have paid with Empower. I'm waiting to hear back on prices from two sterile compounding pharmacies who said they would compound it for me.
Oh actually, I didn’t even think of that. Defy uses a few compounding pharmacies, so if empower didn’t have it, I guess I could see if the other compounding pharmacy they use has it

But damn, I was on hikma enanthate prior to this for a long time, and I heard that empower no longer can get hikma enanthate. I switched to their prop a month or so ago, and now it sounds like they can’t supply prop atm either. Luckily I’m on a nandrolone base atm, and am only taking 30mg of test per week, so this current bottle of prop is gonna last me a while, but if I was on a test base rn, sounds like I’d be pretty screwed lol. If the other compounding pharmacy defy uses couldn’t supply me with the test I want, would have to grab some from my UGL source, which is the best source I’ve found to date, but I still obv prefer using pharma products, whenever I can, over UGL
 
But damn, I was on hikma enanthate prior to this for a long time, and I heard that empower no longer can get hikma enanthate.
They have it back in stock, but its more expensive now ($125 per 5 ml vial). I just ordered more yesterday. I'm probably going to have them call it in to a local pharmacy in the future because the Empower/Defy markup is getting ridiculous. You can buy the vials for $36 with GoodRx coupons at places like CVS and Walgreens.
 
They have it back in stock, but its more expensive now ($125 per 5 ml vial). I just ordered more yesterday. I'm probably going to have them call it in to a local pharmacy in the future because the Empower/Defy markup is getting ridiculous. You can buy the vials for $36 with GoodRx coupons at places like CVS and Walgreens.
I’ve tried to get defy to send my script to a different compounding pharmacy (one they aren’t affiliated with ) and they refuse to do it. Empower seems to be falling off hard for me personally. I know they aren’t allowed to mail in testosterone to my state to local pharmacy. But I don’t get why they can’t send my script to coumponding pharm of my choice. Welllll I do know why $$$
 
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They have it back in stock, but it’s more expensive now ($125 per 5 ml vial). I just ordered more yesterday. I'm probably going to have them call it in to a local pharmacy in the future because the Empower/Defy markup is getting ridiculous. You can buy the vials for $36 with GoodRx coupons at places like CVS and Walgreens.
I agree. I love defy, and will most likely be with them for a long long time, ideally indefinitely, but their markups are pretty insane. Other than their markups, I love everything about Defy. They’ve been a godsend throughout my HRT journey.

Looked back a little, and looks like at the beginning of 2023, I was paying $125 for a 5ml vial of Westward enanthate. I’m sure if I looked at the last invoice where I ordered hikma enanthate, it would be the same price. So I’m used to it being that price. Which I couldn’t agree more, is absolutely insane. Through most pharmacies, a 10ml vial of cyp, with a goodrx coupon, costs probably $30, or less, I would imagine. Test is a dirt cheap compound. So for half of that amount to be $125, is beyond crazy
 
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I agree. I love defy, and will most likely be with them for a long long time, ideally indefinitely, but their markups are pretty insane. Other than their markups, I love everything about Defy. They’ve been a godsend throughout my HRT journey.

Looked back a little, and looks like at the beginning of 2023, I was paying $125 for a 5ml vial of Westward enanthate. I’m sure if I looked at the last invoice where I ordered hikma enanthate, it would be the same price. So I’m used to it being that price. Which I couldn’t agree more, is absolutely insane. Through most pharmacies, a 10ml vial of cyp, with a goodrx coupon, costs probably $30, or less, I would imagine. Test is a dirt cheap compound. So for half of that amount to be $125, is beyond crazy
I also love defy. I don’t even mind the mark-up if it keeps them in business. ( I also get medical reimbursement through my union ) but wish we had a little more options with pharmacy’s.
 
I also love defy. I don’t even mind the mark-up if it keeps them in business. ( I also get medical reimbursement through my union ) but wish we had a little more options with pharmacy’s.
Pretty much same. The markups are a bit outrageous, but it really doesn’t bother me either. Do I wish the markups were less, ya definitely lol. But overall I’ve been so beyond happy with defy, for so many years, that the pros FAR outweig this one con. And I also am able to save a bunch of money, wirh defy, since they’re able to write me a script for whatever labs I want done, I take that script to either quest or labcorp, and am able to have the lab bill my insurance, which covers 100% of my labs, after a $50 copay
 
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Pretty much same. The markups are a bit outrageous, but it really doesn’t bother me either. Do I wish the markups were less, ya definitely lol. But overall I’ve been so beyond happy with defy, for so many years, that the pros FAR outweig this one con. And I also am able to save a bunch of money, wirh defy, since they’re able to write me a script for whatever labs I want done, I take that script to either quest or labcorp, and am able to have the lab bill my insurance, which covers 100% of my labs, after a $50 copay
Yeah I’ve been having them email me lab scripts since I started with them. They are just so damn convenient to use. Very organized. And all the staff is pleasant to deal with.
 
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