Test Cyp/Prop Blend - Anyone?

[JYD21]

So I'm starting out TRT for the first time. The compounding pharmacy my doc uses does not have 100% Cyp, for some reason I don't understand.

So they offer blends. Which could include DHEA, AI, Cyp/Prop/Eth or Cyp//Propinate. We decided to start with Test Cyp/Prop pinning 3.5 days at 100mg.

Has anyone tried a blend like this?

Thx.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

160mg/40mg Testosterone Cypionate / Propionate Blend by Empower?

Testosterone propionate is definitely not for everyone, however, there are certain men who do benefit from including the ester in their therapy. Propionate needs to be injected more frequently than cypionate, roughly every 2-3 days if used as a monotherapy to keep serum testosterone stable...

www.excelmale.com

Tips on how to blend propionate with enanthate (or cypionate)?

I have been having some success with low dose daily propionate for the last several months. Dose levels have ranged from 8-10 mg injected every morning after waking. Overall, it has been a far better experience than my previous cypionate protocol of 80-100 per week (split every 3.5 days)...

www.excelmale.com

 

[JYD21]

160mg/40mg Testosterone Cypionate / Propionate Blend by Empower?

Testosterone propionate is definitely not for everyone, however, there are certain men who do benefit from including the ester in their therapy. Propionate needs to be injected more frequently than cypionate, roughly every 2-3 days if used as a monotherapy to keep serum testosterone stable...

www.excelmale.com

Tips on how to blend propionate with enanthate (or cypionate)?

I have been having some success with low dose daily propionate for the last several months. Dose levels have ranged from 8-10 mg injected every morning after waking. Overall, it has been a far better experience than my previous cypionate protocol of 80-100 per week (split every 3.5 days)...

www.excelmale.com

Thanks. I'll give these a read-through. The blend they prescribed is 80% Cyp / 20% Prop.

 

[Willyt]

So they offer blends. Which could include DHEA, AI, Cyp/Prop/Eth or Cyp//Propinate. We decided to start with Test Cyp/Prop pinning 3.5 days at 100mg.

Most Propionate users (including myself) would recommend that it shines when using 1x daily since it often peaks 4-5 hours after injection. Otherwise it is just too fast acting for 2x per week.

If you plan to only inject 2x per week, straight Cypionate or Enanthate would be preferable although it sounds like you may not have that option. Definitely don't use any blends that have DHEA or AI. You need to isolate the variables in your protocol so you can adjust.

Tips on how to blend propionate with enanthate (or cypionate)?

I actually just switched back to my other routine a few days ago. 10 mg suspension daily. Why? I get more bang for the amount. Here is the calculator to show. You can type in the 12.5 and 5 mg week 1 to 5 then 10 mg suspension week 6 to 10. https://www.steroidplotter.com/ Here is the difference.

www.excelmale.com

 

[JYD21]

Most Propionate users (including myself) would recommend that it shines when using 1x daily since it often peaks 4-5 hours after injection. Otherwise it is just too fast acting for 2x per week.

If you plan to only inject 2x per week, straight Cypionate or Enanthate would be preferable although it sounds like you may not have that option. Definitely don't use any blends that have DHEA or AI. You need to isolate the variables in your protocol so you can adjust.

Tips on how to blend propionate with enanthate (or cypionate)?

I actually just switched back to my other routine a few days ago. 10 mg suspension daily. Why? I get more bang for the amount. Here is the calculator to show. You can type in the 12.5 and 5 mg week 1 to 5 then 10 mg suspension week 6 to 10. https://www.steroidplotter.com/ Here is the difference.

www.excelmale.com

Yeah, I don’t want to do a blend as it’s just not what most do and it doesn’t seem optimal.

And you’re right, I don’t have a choice with this Doc’s compounding pharmacy. I asked. I pushed. Doc said they don’t offer just straight Cyp. I don’t get that.

I think I’d rather get a script for just Cyp vs trying to start with this blend.

 

[Willyt]

Yeah, I don’t want to do a blend as it’s just not what most do and it doesn’t seem optimal.

And you’re right, I don’t have a choice with this Doc’s compounding pharmacy. I asked. I pushed. Doc said they don’t offer just straight Cyp. I don’t get that.

I think I’d rather get a script for just Cyp vs trying to start with this blend.

I ended up graduating to a daily blend as have a number of others on this forum for the reasons explained in the thread above. Blend is higher maintenance because of daily injections, but can cause less side effects because of lower dose.

However, it is not the best starting place for TRT. Find your sweet spot with straight Cyp/Enan and then explore blend if you are seeking daily variation.

 

[JYD21]

I ended up graduating to a daily blend as have a number of others on this forum for the reasons explained in the thread above. Blend is higher maintenance because of daily injections, but can cause less side effects because of lower dose.

However, it is not the best starting place for TRT. Find your sweet spot with straight Cyp/Enan and then explore blend if you are seeking daily variation.

Yeah. My other thought was to do the blend EoD as every 3.5 days may not be optimal.

Hence, I’d rather just start with Cyp.

Perhaps I need to consider going through Defy or some other provider.

 

[nodoctor]

Devil's advocate: it's not ideal, but since it's only 20% prop and cyp takes a bit to kick in anyway, it should be fine. Just realize day 2 and 3 between injections you're relying exclusively on cyp (which many people do anyway).

 

[Willyt]

Yeah. My other thought was to do the blend EoD as every 3.5 days may not be optimal.

Hence, I’d rather just start with Cyp.

Perhaps I need to consider going through Defy or some other provider.

I moved to Defy a while back. They have seen it all as HRT specialist and are generally open to different ideas.

 

[JYD21]

Devil's advocate: it's not ideal, but since it's only 20% prop and cyp takes a bit to kick in anyway, it should be fine. Just realize day 2 and 3 between injections you're relying exclusively on cyp (which many people do anyway).

I hear ya, but given that most qualitative feedback is that this is not ideal, then a blend is now how I want to start. Perhaps if I wanted to 'tinker' later, but then again, I don't even want to think about that. ...But I do appreciate your thinking and would consider this as a last resort.

I moved to Defy a while back. They have seen it all as HRT specialist and are generally open to different ideas.

I am going to give them a call today. Seeing that I already paid out of pocket quite a bit of change, I'd prefer not to have to redo labs since I took them 6 weeks ago. Thanks for the insight!

 

[Charliebizz]

I hear ya, but given that most qualitative feedback is that this is not ideal, then a blend is now how I want to start. Perhaps if I wanted to 'tinker' later, but then again, I don't even want to think about that. ...But I do appreciate your thinking and would consider this as a last resort.


I am going to give them a call today. Seeing that I already paid out of pocket quite a bit of change, I'd prefer not to have to redo labs since I took them 6 weeks ago. Thanks for the insight!

Defy is top notch imo. You can get scripts sent to you for blood work and use insurance. And even have your meds called into your pharmacy (for a small fee). Unlike all these new clinics with monthly subscription fee.

 

[JYD21]

Defy is top notch imo. You can get scripts sent to you for blood work and use insurance. And even have your meds called into your pharmacy (for a small fee). Unlike all these new clinics with monthly subscription fee.

I want to find out if they can use my labs from 6 weeks ago. While I'm not below the normal threshold, I am on the cusp of normal, so doubt my insurance will cover anything since I don't go through an employer (I'm self-employed, atm).

I called the compounding pharmacy my functional doc uses and they told me that since Test Cyp is 'commercially made', they are unable to compound it, so they just do blends. That still doesn't make sense to me.

I don't want to go the black market route either, though I know several people that do get their trt that way (all current pro bodybuilders).

 

[Charliebizz]

I want to find out if they can use my labs from 6 weeks ago. While I'm not below the normal threshold, I am on the cusp of normal, so doubt my insurance will cover anything since I don't go through an employer (I'm self-employed, atm).

I called the compounding pharmacy my functional doc uses and they told me that since Test Cyp is 'commercially made', they are unable to compound it, so they just do blends. That still doesn't make sense to me.

I don't want to go the black market route either, though I know several people that do get their trt that way (all current pro bodybuilders).

That’s bullshit. I have compounded cyp. And enanthate from empower. I also order pharma grade from empower as well.

 

[JYD21]

That’s bullshit. I have compounded cyp. And enanthate from empower. I also order pharma grade from empower as well.

Yup, I don't quite understand it. To be clear, to compounding pharm my doc uses is local, here in DFW (it's not Empower).

And my wellness doc is a personal friend, but I'm ok parting ways professionally with him to find the right approach.

Sucks.

So, I've got to start over a bit. But that's another thread, I guess. Ha!

 

[Charliebizz]

Yup, I don't quite understand it. To be clear, to compounding pharm my doc uses is local, here in DFW (it's not Empower).

And my wellness doc is a personal friend, but I'm ok parting ways professionally with him to find the right approach.

Sucks.

So, I've got to start over a bit. But that's another thread, I guess. Ha!

Couldn’t he call in to empower for you ?

 

[JYD21]

Couldn’t he call in to empower for you ?

Guess not. I told him I really didn't want to do a blend, and no alternative was offered. I put up a bit of a fight but ultimately agreed to the blend out of overall trust & some haste.

Did some more research afterward, including here & some other groups, and here we are at this point in our thread. About to call a few other providers/online clinics to get more info on my options...

 

[Gladiator]

Thanks. I'll give these a read-through. The blend they prescribed is 80% Cyp / 20% Prop.

If it’s 80% TwstC I would stress about it to much. You will still be fine on every 3.5 days.
You haven’t mentioned your protocol so I’m guessing it’s over 100mg a week.

 

[JYD21]

If it’s 80% TwstC I would stress about it to much. You will still be fine on every 3.5 days.
You haven’t mentioned your protocol so I’m guessing it’s over 100mg a week.

Yeah, we initially said 50mg every 3.05, but then given the short/long ester life, we thought 62.5 every 3.05 days.

Yes, I could start with the Blend, but it's just not common, not a lot of data around it for starting TRT, and I'd rather not start with a seemingly unconventional approach. Who knows, it could be the better overall approach, but based on insights from several of you, it's not ideal.

Plus, if my doc only deals with this one compounding pharm, I could get just Cyp or Eth or Prop on it's own anyway, so.... ?

 

[Gladiator]

Yeah, we initially said 50mg every 3.05, but then given the short/long ester life, we thought 62.5 every 3.05 days.

Yes, I could start with the Blend, but it's just not common, not a lot of data around it for starting TRT, and I'd rather not start with a seemingly unconventional approach. Who knows, it could be the better overall approach, but based on insights from several of you, it's not ideal.

Plus, if my doc only deals with this one compounding pharm, I could get just Cyp or Eth or Prop on it's own anyway, so.... ?

You will be fine. You could go to your local pharmacy and ask them what they stock. Tell them what you are prescribed and ask what they can do. Maybe they can call your doctor and suggest a script. Most times someone uses a compounding pharmacy they have a finger in the business

 

[JYD21]

You will be fine. You could go to your local pharmacy and ask them what they stock. Tell them what you are prescribed and ask what they can do. Maybe they can call your doctor and suggest a script. Most times someone uses a compounding pharmacy they have a finger in the business

Thanks, man. So would you start with this blend & at what protocol?