Yea I believe there’s a lot of misisnformation on this website among others. But if you think about it men’s t levels were meant to fluctuate throughout the day so it makes sense that this is working for me.
Yea I believe there’s a lot of misisnformation on this website among others. But if you think about it men’s t levels were meant to fluctuate throughout the day so it makes sense that this is working for me.
I agree. It’s obviously not conclusive evidence, and we have to remember that everyone is different, and what works for one guy may not work for the next, but I definitely think this shows that there might be some benefits to fluctuating testosterone levels that we previously haven’t really thought much about. For a long time we’ve thought that having the most consistent testosterone levels would yield the best results, and that still may be true for some. But this is definitely a topic that needs to be explored further, imo. It’s very exciting, if you ask me. So thanks again for sharing your experience. It could really help a lot of guys out that struggle with the creams, and are applying them twice per day. It might even help guys on injections.
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madman
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Nothing new here regarding daily fluctuating levels possibly having beneficial effects as it has been stated many times that when using exogenous injectable testosterone regardless of ester used it will in no way mimic the natural endogenous 24 hour circadian rhythm of a healthy young male where testosterone levels peak in the early am and decline in the late afternoon/early evening.....even when one injects daily using long or short acting esters.
When using exogenous testosterone and steady state is achieved levels are elevated 24/7 albeit there is still peak/trough and to what extreme will come down to ones T dose, injection frequency and SHBG levels.
Even when injecting small doses daily sure levels are more stable and the variation between ones peak/trough is minimized compared to injecting once or twice weekly but in many cases many are running troughs in the 800-1000+ ng/dL range.............a young healthy males peak is around 600 ng/dL and as levels decline in the early afternoon/evening trough levels are 20-25% less.
Sure with daily prop injections you will get a quicker spike due to the short acting ester but it is in no way mimicking the natural endogenous T of a healthy young male.
I as many would take a healthy functioning hpta any day over trt but unfortunately we do not have that option!
When using exogenous testosterone and steady state is achieved levels are elevated 24/7 albeit there is still peak/trough and to what extreme will come down to ones T dose, injection frequency and SHBG levels.
Even when injecting small doses daily sure levels are more stable and the variation between ones peak/trough is minimized compared to injecting once or twice weekly but in many cases many are running troughs in the 800-1000+ ng/dL range.............a young healthy males peak is around 600 ng/dL and as levels decline in the early afternoon/evening trough levels are 20-25% less.
Sure with daily prop injections you will get a quicker spike due to the short acting ester but it is in no way mimicking the natural endogenous T of a healthy young male.
I as many would take a healthy functioning hpta any day over trt but unfortunately we do not have that option!
What’s your thoughts on the possibility that fluctuations in testosterone might be more beneficial than having as steady levels as possible?
I'll chime in to say that fluctuations are probably good when they are daily, but increasingly less good as the cycles get longer. I'm suspecting that peak estradiol goes higher as cycles get longer. I'm a little more optimistic than @madman about simulating diurnal variation with T propionate. It mainly depends on the apparent half life. I think we can get troughs at least 25% off the peaks, but it would be better if we could get 30-50%. That might require an even shorter ester, such as testosterone acetate.
GeauxBears
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You mention weak erections. I personally have found a strong linkage between my fear of erectile issues and low libido. Makes sense when you think about it - why would you allow yourself to want something (or crave it) if you didn’t think you could perform...
That said - are morning erections present? How about spontaneous?
That said - are morning erections present? How about spontaneous?
no shots? just the cream?
Saw the answer to my question.
So have you had labs done while on the 200mg ED in the am? And are you still using this dose with success?
I was going trough this thread and saw your comment. I
am on 100 2x per day with decent results. I will give it few more weeks and try 200 all at once. Are you still feeling good? What was/is your SHBG when 200 all at once started to make you feel good?
How long did it take to feel the positive effects from doing 200mg all at once in the morning?
If you read his more recent comments you will find that, unfortunately, his success did not last.
I will check it out. Thanks. Sucks. Hard to get dialed in!
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