I feel better overall. Great cognitive capacity - no brain fog at all and always super motivated. I am a tad more calm on Testosterone alone but miss the joint benefits of Primo / Deca. Much greater recovery running all the compounds - I can train damn near every day. Libido-wise: primo +Test is optimal for me, followed by Test alone, and then Test + nandrolone. No issues at all running all three.
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I should also mention that I only recently started doing 70 mg of each every five days - about a month ago. For about the first two months I was only running about 50 mg of primo and 30 Deca - (with 70mg Test)E5D - which was about all I could fit in a one ML syringe. Some weeks I added a little bit more of one compound or the other, but nothing material.
Glad to hear that the nandrolone doesn’t seem to be effecting u mood wise at all
what were the dosages when u ran just test and primo?
and what test ester and brand are u using atm?
Test / Primo was 70/50 mg E5D.
I always run Test Cyp - pharma brand (Perrigo) not compounded.
And u don’t ever have issues with perrigo? There’s a thread here with guys having issues with perrigo and having significantly lower test values than usual while using it. I personally experienced the same thing recently. But it was speculated that maybe the issue is with perrigo manufactured in the U.S., and perrigo manufactured in Portugal might be fine. I have to double check the packaging on mine, but pretty sure when I checked mine was manufactured in the U.S. The Cipla test cyp and Hikma test enanthate that I’ve used in the past both said manufactured in Portugal when I checked, and I don’t remember having issues with either of those, just for reference.
do u know which place the perrigo ur using is manufactured by any chance?
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I never had a problem with Perrigo. Always consistent levels - the vial I have now says Mfg in Grand Rapids, Mi.
Interesting. That’s where mine is manufactured as well. Last question about it. Do u get urs through Defy via empower? Thats where I got mine, and where I get all my testosterone. Jc if u for urs from empower as well
No, I have a urologist that just calls in the script to a local pharmacy. That’s how I have always done it.
Gocha. Thanks for all the replies. And thanks for continuing to post updates in regards to ur protocol. Been enjoying following ur journey
Similar experiences here.
What is the lowest dose of oxandrolone you’ve tried that has been effective/beneficial?
Fernando Almaguer
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So I really didnt want to continue to get my nandrolone vials from empower. I just think the more AAS we add there has to be some chronic side effects. Already felt a little bp increase and prolactin increase. So I was taking 60 mg per week. I said ok let me just take the rest of the bottle in one dose. It was about 130 mgs. So nothing crazy but glad to be off it for now. Well, no more injections. The size and muscle roundness was great though.
I am not the OP but I will give an update of my own.
I came off everything except Testosterone for about two months just to see how I would do and to give my body a break. The only issue I was having with Nandrolone was that it definitely spiked blood pressure causing me to take some losartan. I have no problem with that, because losartan actually has tremendous benefits as I’ve researched for blood vessels for men taking any type of androgens. But nevertheless, just wanted to see where things at.
Overall I did pretty good. It seemed that the longer I was on nandrolone, each time I went off. I definitely had less pain, and retained muscle mass. But by around the eighth week mark, I started to get all sorts of tendinitis and joint flareups again so I said, screw it and went back on. This time I am doing somewhat of a mini blast using a descending dose. I am doing 200 mg nandrolone, 100 mg testosterone and then adding 70 mg of primo with maybe 5 mg anavar on workout days. Yes, I know this is really not TRT but my plan is to do this for a month, and then drop it back down to much lower levels starting in month two and then ultimately, I will probably just cruise at a lower dose of primabolin and Testosterone for a few weeks and then alternate that with a Nandrolone. I’d like the feeling of the primabolin because even a little dose of 50 mg per week keeps my estradiol in range and I don’t need an aromatase inhibitor .
I came off everything except Testosterone for about two months just to see how I would do and to give my body a break. The only issue I was having with Nandrolone was that it definitely spiked blood pressure causing me to take some losartan. I have no problem with that, because losartan actually has tremendous benefits as I’ve researched for blood vessels for men taking any type of androgens. But nevertheless, just wanted to see where things at.
Overall I did pretty good. It seemed that the longer I was on nandrolone, each time I went off. I definitely had less pain, and retained muscle mass. But by around the eighth week mark, I started to get all sorts of tendinitis and joint flareups again so I said, screw it and went back on. This time I am doing somewhat of a mini blast using a descending dose. I am doing 200 mg nandrolone, 100 mg testosterone and then adding 70 mg of primo with maybe 5 mg anavar on workout days. Yes, I know this is really not TRT but my plan is to do this for a month, and then drop it back down to much lower levels starting in month two and then ultimately, I will probably just cruise at a lower dose of primabolin and Testosterone for a few weeks and then alternate that with a Nandrolone. I’d like the feeling of the primabolin because even a little dose of 50 mg per week keeps my estradiol in range and I don’t need an aromatase inhibitor .
Belekas
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That sounds awesome that you were able to mitigate pain. Yeah I've read a lot that Nandrolone spikes users BP but also most of those guys were running it on test base, similar to you. I'm looking to give Deca a go but with minimal test like 25mg for starters with say 200mg Deca. Then titrate test if I won't feel well. I've read that you also have ran Deca solo back in the day and felt amazing IIRC? I've been reading and researching Deca solo for HRT with just a little bit of test and have everything ready to give it a shot. I also have chronic back pain and neck as well and also some random aches here and there that are not going anywhere soon. Have you tried going lower on Test to see how you feel and if your BP improves? Yeah I've read countless anecdotes from guys running bit of Prima on top and that keeps their E2 at bay and they feel great. Cool, calm and collected. And from all I've read most of the sides come from too much Test and not Deca/Nandrolone in isolation. Ofc everyone is different so just gotta experiment and find what works for you and stay on top of your health going forward.
There is a popular YouTuber called Taeian Clark that had a video back with some research about Deca only cycles. Lots of guys in the comments swore by it and that it eliminated all negative symptoms and they felt great. I had run Deca only back in the 80s but that’s because stuff was hard to come by and you kind of had to take what you can get. I remember feeling great for probably about the first 6 to 8 weeks but some ED definitely sit in. Some of the guys in the comments on the YouTube channel I mentioned said they had the opposite effect. I think your assumption is correct – that you can, and should lower testosterone if you were going to run a higher amount of Deca.
My typical TRT protocol is 80 mg Test and 120 Deca. Blood pressure wasn’t too bad but it was averaging at around upper 130s over mid to upper 70s. Without Deca I was mid 120s / mid 70s. Now that I am running a lot more gear including primabolin and some anavar, I was topping out around 140/100 and that was on 50 mg of losartan a day. I just bumped it to 100 mg and it took everything way down with no negative side effects. So this is something I’m going to have to continually monitor and adjust the protocol for if I do these mini blasts.
Regarding the primo, you have to be careful because it can crash estrogen, even if running a one to one ratio with testosterone. That is one substance where you probably want to go at least 1.5 to 2.0 ratio Test to primabolin. 50 mg of Primo and 100 mg Test had my E2 at 38 with no AI. Normally I would be in the 70s if no AI and with 1/4 tab aromasin per week - I was I had E2 in the 38-42 range - so 50 mg primo is the equivalent of 1/4 of a 25mg Aromasin tab for me. Feel great on primo.
My next experiment will be how I can utilize Test, Deca and Primo as part of a long term regiment. Considering 80 Test, 30 Deca , 50 primo or - rotating compounds (Test with 100 mg of either Deca or Primo - switching them every week).
Belekas
nobody
Hehe, yeah I've been reading and studying Taeians FB posts for some months now after @Gman86 intruduced me to his material, and I like his views. Also been in touch with him lately and he is helping me with my severe gut issues I've been battling for the past year or two. He suggests 6 on 4 off cycling IIRC. I have Deca ready to give it a go. Most of his guys loving Deca solo cycles or Deca HRTs with minimal Test just for E2. Also I've been listening to Dr. Litchten how he treats various diseases with Deca and other androgens and been doing that the longest from them all. I think he is in his 70s. Really awesome stuff.
I also have Telmisartan and Nebivolol at hand just in case I will need it. My BP on 100mg Test E5D a few weeks ago was 105/66/58 upon waking fasted. But ofcourse I do serious cardiovascular work in the gym and lift heavy 3-4x week. Been off for a week or so as caught a flu or something but its getting better. I will keep an eye on the BP once I switch to Deca and see what happens. I've been in the MAN2MAN meetings with Dr. Thomas O'Connor and listened to him about all these BP meds and according to him and literature they do have a lot of health benefits as well. But I prefer to do it all naturaly, tick all boxes and only then if its needed take a pill. Great that you stay on top of your BP. Kudos.
Point taken re Primo and seems like many guys love it and feel great on it without an AI. Might try that sometime in the future when the time is right and the rhyme is right ,) Will be interesting to see how your experiment goes and def keep us posted.
Regards,
Bel
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What does he say for gut issues.im interested being a weed addict and quitting really messed up my guts
Appreciate the follow up report. So u really notice something from 5mg sublingually preworkout huh? How long before ur workout do u take it again? I know I’ve asked before, but I can’t remember.
where do u personally like to keep ur E2 around?
how often each week do u inject everything?
how u currently feelin?
what do u think ur protocol will look like when u just do test and primo, and then alternate between primo and nandrolone? will u keep the primo and nandrolone dose the same?
Belekas
nobody
Sorry to hear that. I smoked strongest indica for 27 years morning to evening and that has also fucked up my gut properly. It will take tons of time to write so maybe I'll do a post but when I'm down for it and after treatment. Have you read all his posts in his FB group? Theres like more then 10 years of posts and tons of great information.
My own fault but yea had to stop
weed isn't as beinge as many think
Sorry to hijack thread would be interested to hear your experiences.thanks for reply
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