Initial reaction?

[Scoot2300]

Thank you all. I’ve been considering a lower dose as I am unsure of the effects of exogenous T on the central nervous system and its effects on restful sleeping. Is it possible that my levels just don’t reach a bottom level at night where my body can just calm down and get deep sleep?

 

[Cataceous]

Thank you all. I’ve been considering a lower dose as I am unsure of the effects of exogenous T on the central nervous system and its effects on restful sleeping. Is it possible that my levels just don’t reach a bottom level at night where my body can just calm down and get deep sleep?

Some of us have found this to be the case. When I dose such that testosterone is highish or rises early in the night, sleep quality and duration are degraded. Switching to—early morning—injections of the aforementioned TE/TP blend resolved the issue, giving me an extra hour of quality sleep, on average.

 

[HSLD]

It was my understanding that the more frequent injections it would actually increase SHGB?

My experience has been the opposite. If keeping total weekly dose the same, my SHBG goes down with more frequent injections.

 

[DJXS]

What would your initial reaction be to these levels at face value?

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I sleep 8-9 hours per night and am still tired all day. I have had thyroid checked (although I still think I may be hypothyroid), Iron, etc. I am feeling lower energy these days. I am 51 and been on TRT since 2020. Took a long time to try and get dialed in. I am having trouble pinpointing what the culprit could be.

I understand my view is quite the opposite of most others' perspective, but with the long esters of cypionate and enanthate after about 6 weeks of once per week IM injections blood serum levels become quite stable. My recommendation is to move to once a week injections at your current dose, see how you feel in 6 weeks along with getting new labs at true trough. I'm of the opinion that men don't need to be jabbing themselves more than once a week and this will likely lead to an increase in estradiol, a decrease in FT, and your SHBG level will probably remain about the same.
Although your estradiol on previous labs was within normal range, I (and many other men) find I feel better when estradiol is in the mid-20s to low 30s. Additionally, many men including myself feel better when TT a trough is in the 500-600 range; along with this, with decreased FT and increased estradiol you'll likely feel better. Good luck!

 

[Gibbon]

I was on 80 mg/wk for a year and my free shot up. I could tell over the course of the year on 80 mg/wk I just started to feel more tired and then slowly had more irritability, then insomnia hit. I lowered a few times and settled at 53 mg/wk. My sleep improved, tiredness diminished greatly and workouts almost tripled in length. My total is around 515 and free a little lower than 150. I do EOD shots. Estrodial is around 30. I think you sound like me. My SHBG lowered over the course of a year and free shot up. I take nothing else but 53 mg/wk of test cyp. Less is definitely better for me. I imagine I might improve a slight bit if I lowered even more.

 

[aloetard]

I was on 80 mg/wk for a year and my free shot up. I could tell over the course of the year on 80 mg/wk I just started to feel more tired and then slowly had more irritability, then insomnia hit. I lowered a few times and settled at 53 mg/wk. My sleep improved, tiredness diminished greatly and workouts almost tripled in length. My total is around 515 and free a little lower than 150. I do EOD shots. Estrodial is around 30. I think you sound like me. My SHBG lowered over the course of a year and free shot up. I take nothing else but 53 mg/wk of test cyp. Less is definitely better for me. I imagine I might improve a slight bit if I lowered even more.

What's up Man? Good to hear you are doing well. Been a while.

 

[Gibbon]

What's up Man? Good to hear you are doing well. Been a while.

Been stable for months now, actually since the new year so I am very happy. How are you doing? I still read a lot hear just haven't posted in quite some time.