Hematocrit and TRT. How to have balance.

[Gman86]

Ya that article @readalot was pretty convincing, not gonna lie lol. And saline given IV will hydrate a person, so ur probably right, table salt in water will probably hydrate someone just as well as sea salt in water. There’s definitely something to table salt that will cause negative effects in the body tho, and salt in the forms of Celtic sea salt or redmonds real salt will improve overall health, in moderation. Maybe it’s how table salt is processed. Dr, Brownstein talks about it very briefly at 12:30 into this vid

 

[tareload]

I liked her.

Handy in the sales industry.

I was never good at sales haha.

 

[Gman86]

I really haven’t had any issues with HCT/ HGB or BP since drinking only mineral water with some Celtic sea salt and magnesium chloride liquid in each one that I drink tho. My HCT used to run low to mid 50’s, and BP would sometimes creep up, but since doing this with my water my HCT runs high 40’s now, and my BP is always perfectly in range. So something about what I learned and implemented from that vid is working, and I assume it would work for other guys as well. Cuz if anyone should have issues with high HCT and BP, it should be me. I run much higher dosages of AAS than most guys, and I also use test, nandrolone and primo all together.

 

[tareload]

Ya that article @readalot was pretty convincing, not gonna lie lol. And saline given IV will hydrate a person, so ur probably right, table salt in water will probably hydrate someone just as well as sea salt in water. There’s definitely something to table salt that will cause negative effects in the body tho, and salt in the forms of Celtic sea salt or redmonds real salt will improve overall health, in moderation. Maybe it’s how table salt is processed. Dr, Brownstein talks about it very briefly at 12:30 into this vid

I'd buy you a beverage (with whatever salt you wanted haha) of your choice in the real world @Gman86. Thanks for chatting and glad you are enjoying your journey. Take care man and I appreciate your willingness to try and help others.

 

[Deleted member 43589]

My wife is big on salt, she only uses the Pink Himalayan salt and will not use the American iodized salt (thyroid issues). I make it easy, I do not use salt on anything. Our foods are so loaded with salt who needs more.

Conclusions​

Daily intake of more than 5 g of iodized salt increased the risk of thyroid nodules and thyroid cancer, while increased physical activity and education level reduced the risk of thyroid nodules and thyroid cancer caused by iodized salt intake. 1 tsp = 2g

Analysis of the correlation between high iodized salt intake and the risk of thyroid nodules: a large retrospective study - BMC Cancer

Background Currently, whether daily excess iodized salt intake increases the risk of thyroid nodules and even thyroid cancer remains controversial. Our research group aimed to provide a theoretical basis for the clinical guidance of daily iodized salt intake and the prevention of thyroid nodules...

bmccancer.biomedcentral.com

I do have to wonder why we continue adding so much iodine to salt

We are not aware of any recently published data on the incidence of iodine deficiency in the U.S. general population. Yet we commercially add iodine to salt that most Americans use in abundance.

Iodine and Iodine Deficiency: A Comprehensive Review of a Re-Emerging Issue - PMC

Iodine is a mineral nutrient essential for the regulation of a variety of key physiological functions including metabolism and brain development and function in children and adults. As such, iodine intake and status within populations is an area of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I take in ~4500mg of salt/d and don't even put a drop of salt on anything I eat. Here are the biggest culprits in my diet:

Cereals, Quaker, Instant Grits, Butter flavor, dry - 478.8 mg -32%
Post, Honey Bunches of Oats with Almonds - 450.4 mg - 30%
Milk, Whole - 427.2 mg - 28%
Total - 90%

 

[Gman86]

I'd buy you a beverage (with whatever salt you wanted haha) of your choice in the real world @Gman86. Thanks for chatting and glad you are enjoying your journey. Take care man and I appreciate your willingness to try and help others.

Hahah, I’d gladly take that drink, appreciate it. It’s not easy to admit when u’ve been wrong or partially wrong on things, but I really respect others than can admit when they are, and adjust their views based on new information. So I try to personally be able to do that as much as possible. I do still think that processed table salt is bad for ur health, and using things like Celtic sea salt or redmonds real salt can be beneficial for the body, but it does seem like my views on Celtic salt and water hydrating cells drastically more than say table salt and water, or even regular spring water without any minerals/ electrolytes added to it might have been exaggerated/ overblown a bit. If I’m not mistaken, things like spring water or tap water do already have minerals in them, which I do believe help aid in the water getting into the cells. The only water that would basically go right through u and possibly deplete the body of electrolytes would be distilled water I would imagine. But obv nobody is drinking distilled water lol

My HCT and bp both did come down a bit ever since adding Celtic salt and magnesium chloride liquid to my mineral waters everyday. So it does seem like I’m somehow receiving benefits in regards to hydration status and a healthier BP since doing this. Just not exactly sure what’s doing what benefit wise I guess lol. All I know is I’m receiving benefits from doing so, and that’s good enough for me lol

 

[Keepfit1]

Man, it’s so frustrating to see guys still battling the whole high HCT/ HGB and low iron thing. I’m not trying to come down on u specifically. Ur one of very many that are still caught up in this ridiculousness, and struggle with an issue that literally could not be easier to fix. Hct and HGB are just measurements of ur hydration status basically. They obv measure how many RBC’s and oxygen carrying proteins that u have in ur blood compared to the total volume of blood, but being properly hydrated can lower both measurements drastically. Not many people are actually properly hydrated. You could drink 2 gallons of water per day and still be dehydrated. All someone in ur situation has to do is learn how to properly hydrate ur cells, which will lower ur HCT and HGB levels into a healthy range, as well as lower ur BP into a healthy range. And then stop donating blood and let ur iron levels come back up. It’s honest to god that simple. I’ll link the best vid on how to properly hydrate urself that I’ve ever come across, and I’ll also link a vid talking about how slightly higher BP levels than we’re used to are most likely still very healthy. And this info is coming from a doctor

so there’s ur solution, and the solution almost every guy out there on HRT that struggles with the whole high HGB/ HCT levels, and low iron levels due to donating blood too often can implement. Now what will u, and most guys in ur situation actually do? Not watch either vid, and continue to not fully understand how to properly hydrate their cells and their body, and continue to be in a constant state of whether they should lower their dose, donate blood, and/ or take an iron supplement, or even get off of HRT all together possibly. But hopefully there’s at least a few guys here that are smart enough to implement this extremely easy and effective solution. It’s just really tough seeing guys struggle with this issue, when it’s honestly one of the easiest issues to remedy. Another thing I highly recommend for BP is magnesium. Everyone should be taking it, but definitely anyone with BP issues should take it. There’s many other easy ways to lower BP, but taking magnesium, properly hydrating urself, and using the correct forms of salt can do the trick for most people

I think we should be careful assuming high Hct / Hgb can be fixed by hydration, the body will excrete the water quickly and Hct will pretty soon go to where it was. I have Primary Polycythaemia and have been venisecting for 10+ years with monthly CBC's and I have tried every trick in the book. Running too high Hct etc is russian roulette and water wont save you from the bullet. Us with primary PV are Jak2 +ve so we have higher thrombotic risk and the 100% rule for us is Hct under 45 and Hgb around 150. Primary Polycythaemia folk are 95% positive for Jak2 gene, and ANYONE who is Jak2+ve are higher thrombotic risk, the problems is you can be Jak2 +ve without having Primary polycythaemia. So some could be going around thinking they are safe with higher than range Hct but if Jak2+ve its double Russian roulette. In Primary Polycythaemia the major cause of death is thrombotic issues due to thick sticky blood.
My advice to anyone is keep your Hct and reds in range. The water thing wont save you.

 

[Keepfit1]

My wife is big on salt, she only uses the Pink Himalayan salt and will not use the American iodized salt (thyroid issues). I make it easy, I do not use salt on anything. Our foods are so loaded with salt who needs more.

Conclusions​

Daily intake of more than 5 g of iodized salt increased the risk of thyroid nodules and thyroid cancer, while increased physical activity and education level reduced the risk of thyroid nodules and thyroid cancer caused by iodized salt intake. 1 tsp = 2g

Analysis of the correlation between high iodized salt intake and the risk of thyroid nodules: a large retrospective study - BMC Cancer

Background Currently, whether daily excess iodized salt intake increases the risk of thyroid nodules and even thyroid cancer remains controversial. Our research group aimed to provide a theoretical basis for the clinical guidance of daily iodized salt intake and the prevention of thyroid nodules...

bmccancer.biomedcentral.com

I do have to wonder why we continue adding so much iodine to salt

We are not aware of any recently published data on the incidence of iodine deficiency in the U.S. general population. Yet we commercially add iodine to salt that most Americans use in abundance.

Iodine and Iodine Deficiency: A Comprehensive Review of a Re-Emerging Issue - PMC

Iodine is a mineral nutrient essential for the regulation of a variety of key physiological functions including metabolism and brain development and function in children and adults. As such, iodine intake and status within populations is an area of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I take in ~4500mg of salt/d and don't even put a drop of salt on anything I eat. Here are the biggest culprits in my diet:

Cereals, Quaker, Instant Grits, Butter flavor, dry - 478.8 mg -32%
Post, Honey Bunches of Oats with Almonds - 450.4 mg - 30%
Milk, Whole - 427.2 mg - 28%
Total - 90%

iodine helps thyroid if deficient, BUT too much suppresses the thyroid, and the tests are in my experience rubbish, bl0od, urine , patch , none accurate

 

[Deleted member 43589]

But who is America is deficient? Again, in my meager little NO added salt diet I get iodine from the following foods:

Milk, Whole - 376.6 µg - 251%
Lean Gainer Premium Mass Builder - 179 µg - 119%
Equate, Complete Multivitamin, Adults 50+ - 150 µg - 100%
Ice Cream, Vanilla or Other Flavors, Includes Chocolate Chip - 103 µg - 69%
Fried Eggs, Whole Egg - 27.8 µg - 19%

Total 558% RDA. Iodine is already added to everything we eat.

 

[Gman86]

I think we should be careful assuming high Hct / Hgb can be fixed by hydration, the body will excrete the water quickly and Hct will pretty soon go to where it was. I have Primary Polycythaemia and have been venisecting for 10+ years with monthly CBC's and I have tried every trick in the book. Running too high Hct etc is russian roulette and water wont save you from the bullet. Us with primary PV are Jak2 +ve so we have higher thrombotic risk and the 100% rule for us is Hct under 45 and Hgb around 150. Primary Polycythaemia folk are 95% positive for Jak2 gene, and ANYONE who is Jak2+ve are higher thrombotic risk, the problems is you can be Jak2 +ve without having Primary polycythaemia. So some could be going around thinking they are safe with higher than range Hct but if Jak2+ve its double Russian roulette. In Primary Polycythaemia the major cause of death is thrombotic issues due to thick sticky blood.
My advice to anyone is keep your Hct and reds in range. The water thing wont save you.

Having and actually blood disorder is obv very different than just being on TRT and having higher RBC levels than a person not on TRT would have. All I know is that when I really started focusing on how to hydrate myself the best that I can, My HCT/ HGB levels were consistently lower, and my BP has consistently been in a healthy range. Despite being on protocols where I’m using pretty significantly higher dosages of AAS than most guys that struggle with high HCT/ HGB and low iron. And I also use test and nandrolone together, which seems to be notorious for increasing BP, and / or increasing HCT/ HGB levels. If this worked for me, I just assume it can work for others. I would tell guys just to try it out, and see if they see positive differences in their labs and vital signs as well. They have nothing to lose by simply trying to hydrate themselves better

 

[Gman86]

But who is America is deficient?

According to Dr brownstein and one of his colleagues that tested over 3K of their patients over the years, 96%+ of people that came to them were iodine deficient. Not saying I stand behind this or am married to what they’re saying. Just mentioning what they’re personally reporting.

 

[Gman86]

@BigTex the whole salt thing is interesting. Dr brownstein literally has a book called “salt your way to health” where I assume he talks about all the different ways salt can benefit the body. And then I know of quite a few carnivores that are doing great not salting a thing, and just eating 100% red meat. And there’s another carnivore woman that has a YouTube channel called “steak and butter girl“ that has experimented on herself and figured out that she feels way better not using any added salt, and feels tired and brain foggy whenever she adds salt to her carnivore diet. Then there’s other carnivores that recommend just salting to taste, and say they feel better with a little added salt than without it. So maybe it’s just an individual thing whether someone needs/ feels better with added salt or not. I’m always experimenting and trying to feel better and better, so I go back and forth between how much salt I should use on a daily basis. Think I tried going without any added salt for a week or two, and felt a little worse, iirc, but its been a while since I did that, and can’t remember exactly how it went

 

[Deleted member 43589]

Again, most all of the food we eat are loaded with iodine. Obviously I am not to concerned with all of the iodine I manage to eat but I don't salt just because I don't care for the taste of salt other than what is already in all the food we eat. Judging from all the dietary analysis I see each semester Americans are already getting way too much salt. Looks at my diet, I don't add any salt and manage to take in 4500mg daily. I fail to understand how anyone in America is deficient in iodine. Especially when obesity rates are as high as they are.

 

[tareload]

Dr brownstein

The Brownstein protocol is not a proven treatment for COVID-19

Dr. David Brownstein is a "holistic" physician who practices in Dr. Gorski's neck of the woods. Unfortunately, he just wrote a book promoting an unproven protocol involving vitamins, nebulized hydroge

sciencebasedmedicine.org

Nebulized hydrogen peroxide? Whoa. I am as pro natural COVID19 immunity as you can get but that is some crazy shit right there.

I am in the wrong business. $$$$. Unfortunately I seem to be limited by ethical standards darn it.

 

[Deleted member 43589]

The Brownstein protocol is not a proven treatment for COVID-19

Dr. David Brownstein is a "holistic" physician who practices in Dr. Gorski's neck of the woods. Unfortunately, he just wrote a book promoting an unproven protocol involving vitamins, nebulized hydroge

sciencebasedmedicine.org

Nebulized hydrogen peroxide. Whoa. I am as pro natural CoVID19 immunity as you can get but this is some crazy shit right there.

I am in the wrong business. $$$$. Unfortunately I seem to be limited by ethical standards darn it.

What? Why didn't he at least suggest Ivermectin.

 

[Gman86]

The Brownstein protocol is not a proven treatment for COVID-19

Dr. David Brownstein is a "holistic" physician who practices in Dr. Gorski's neck of the woods. Unfortunately, he just wrote a book promoting an unproven protocol involving vitamins, nebulized hydroge

sciencebasedmedicine.org

Nebulized hydrogen peroxide. Whoa.

Hahah. I’m really not up on hydrogen peroxide therapy. I’ve listened to podcasts where he talked about the success he‘s seen using it, especially during covid, but don’t know much about how it works. what makes u feel like it’s a therapy that doesn’t work, or possibly can even cause harm?

 

[tareload]

What? Why didn't he at least suggest Ivermectin.

Why when you can just blast more iodine !!!

 

[Gman86]

Again, most all of the food we eat are loaded with iodine. Obviously I am not to concerned with all of the iodine I manage to eat but I don't salt just because I don't care for the taste of salt other than what is already in all the food we eat.

what doctors that study iodine are apparently saying is that there’s many things in our current environment that deplete iodine in our bodies, and therefore mcg amounts of it aren’t enough to replenish all our cells and organs with the iodine that they need to function optimally

 

[Deleted member 43589]

But then the RDA for IODINE is 150mcg. My diet has on average 858mcg/d. If the environment is stopping us from absorbing iodine then we need to be injecting it. Gman86, there are a lot of environmental wack job doctors out there. If you live where I do and eat fish from the ocean you get plenty of iodine. I may eat a boat load of shrimp in a year. Doing a quick Google check the common thing I see when it comes to WE NEED MORE IODINE, is doctors who are writing books. Again, Obesity is a huge problem in the USA. This means Americans are eating way too much food. Iodine and sodium are in most of the foods we eat in high amounts.

Example:

McDonalds BigMac + Medium French Fries
12,701mg sodium iodine is through the roof too. We are being pumped full of sodium and iodine without adding one sprinkle of salt to anything.

 

[Deleted member 43589]

Hahah. I’m really not up on hydrogen peroxide therapy. I’ve listened to podcasts where he talked about the success he‘s seen using it, especially during covid, but don’t know much about how it works. what makes u feel like it’s a therapy that doesn’t work, or possibly can even cause harm?

WOW! Unbelievable. Amazing what a cash cow Covid was.