Dr prescribed 25 IU's HCG twice weekly - Will this do ANYTHING ???

[Systemlord]

I still have the same issues; no libido, ED, and difficulty getting off, although all have gotten ever so slightly better and now I'm starting to feel nipple sensitivity again so I'm thinking my estrogen must've climbed a little bit back to normal.

A lot of guys don’t realize they have to address the underlining dysfunction that lead to the low-T to improve symptoms on TRT. You can’t just inject T and expect everything to work right off the bat.

For some men, they don’t know why T is low, so they are lost and don’t experience the full benefits.

 

[Drug350]

1- You experienced the "honeymoon period". Sex 6 times a day? OK superman, not going to sustain that. Don't chase your tail.

2- Raising your dose to 200 chasing erections is chasing your tail, and as you found out doesn't work. Taking too much testosterone commonly results in libido and erection problems.

3- Arimidex is powerful. I am sorry man, but 3mg a week is murderous to your E2. yes of course you crashed your E2

4-"injecting small 14 IU's" Get your terminology together. Testosterone is not measured in IUs. I think you are referring to 14 units on your syringe, which is also not complete information. I think you mean 28mg/day which is a ridiculously high dose. And doing that much on an every day basis does not allow you to have a lower trough that would drop into anything like normal range. Running that high constantly... obviously for you ,just trouble.

5- I don't know the whole time frame for all this, but it seems you are also chasing your tail prematurely. Do you give each change to your regimen 6-8 weeks and have lab tests before the next change? If not, you will have no idea what is working and what is not. It seems you are grasping for immediate gratification. This won't serve you for the long haul.

I understand wanting to find your own way, but you were informed about just about everything that you have been going through back in December. Of course your choice to choose what to pay attention to.

Blood Test Results - What to Make of Um

www.excelmale.com

Good luck from here...

1) Yes. Sex 6 times a day. I have a couple of GF's and a wife and I was able to enjoy getting off many times throughout the day. It was fantastic because I actually "wanted to". Now I still have lots of sex almost every single day, but the desire to has dropped off. I still enjoy it, but not like the first 3 weeks. Now I have to use peptides like 141 and I'm going to try Kisspeptin soon and see if it will increase the "want" or libido.

2) I only went up in my dose when I changed absolutely nothing, yet the changes I felt were drastic after the initial 3 weeks. When I changed my dose, my total testosterone went from 620 to 1130 which is "high normal". It's not like I'm 2000 or even 1500 total.

3) yes. Arimedex is strong. I don't disagree. But I felt no changes when I took it at 1/2 MG's twice a week or 1 MG's several times a week, that's why I suspected it was bunk. I didn't notice anything different except my nipples weren't sensitive any more, but the libido and ED seemed the same.

4) yes. I meant 14 units
Yes around 28 MG's daily. I notice no differences between 100 MG's weekly or 200 MG's weekly, as far as libido or ED, but I've gotten leaner and retained more muscle while dieting and doing cardio. So I honestly don't feel anything physically different from 100 MG's vs 200 MG's

 

[bruin]

.............what I am reading from DRUG350 is incredulous and while I am not one to casually dismiss anothers perspective am I incorrect to feel that this forum has taken a turn down a narrow alley.

I run across self styled posts where there is detailed minutiae from hopeful pharmacists that run on and on.

Does the term " Sexual Compulsive" mean anything here?
There is an element of this overall dialogue that may be stretching credibility and veracity.

 

[MDavidW76]

“Puretrig, Gufic biosciences”
I purchased this from pinned aminos before last Christmas as I did not want to travel with a $155 bottle of Pregnyl, tested it with a pregnancy test and it was legit, worked well for me, wife jokingly asked if I was “smuggling plums” in my boxer briefs!

 

[Drug350]

.............what I am reading from DRUG350 is incredulous and while I am not one to casually dismiss anothers perspective am I incorrect to feel that this forum has taken a turn down a narrow alley.

I run across self styled posts where there is detailed minutiae from hopeful pharmacists that run on and on.

Does the term " Sexual Compulsive" mean anything here?
There is an element of this overall dialogue that may be stretching credibility and veracity.

Dude, you can think whatever you like about my lifestyle. "sex a couple of times a week" doesn't cut it for me, just like saying "100 MG's a week of testosterone will work for everyone". Bullshit. I love sex and having as much as possible, while still holding a very high paying job, raising two children, owning my home, vehicles, etc... says I don't have an issue with "sexual compulsion" or whatever you think.
TRT apparently is all over the place as far as how it's best practiced and their are a myriad of opinions all across the board. Apparently there is nothing remote to a "one size fits all" because of all the various issues involved.
Apparently you believe "having x amount of sex" means you are either normal or suffer some kind of sexual compulsion. I'm certain my open lifestyle doesn't jive with your values either, and apparently, you think I'm full of shit with your comment regarding "stretching credibility and veracity". That's YOUR problem, not mine.

 

[t_spacemonkey]

men you need to start injecting TRENBOLONE 1000mg/week. your sex drive will go from 6x / day to 22x/day

 

[Drug350]

men you need to start injecting TRENBOLONE 1000mg/week. your sex drive will go from 6x / day to 22x/day

Been there. Done that. Only 400 MG's of Tren. Problem is, sleep is miserable and that nasty chemical body odor and constant sweating turns girls away .

 

[JmarkH]

My libido starting dropping off, my ED came back, and I have not felt good since

Still having no libido and ED issue's.

I still have the same issues; no libido, ED, and difficulty getting off, although all have gotten ever so slightly better

I hope I can see some serious increase in libido and less ED problems.

I'm seeing a disconnect between all this low libido and ED AND maintaining 3 women in bed on an ongoing basis and sex 6 times a day.
and
How does someone with all this experience with TREN and TEST get IUs so mixed up?

There may be a legitimate reason such as poor composition with the post, but this is all over the place.

 

[Drug350]

I'm seeing a disconnect between all this low libido and ED AND maintaining 3 women in bed on an ongoing basis and sex 6 times a day.
and
How does someone with all this experience with TREN and TEST get IUs so mixed up?

There may be a legitimate reason such as poor compassion with the post, but this is all over the place.

I'll tell you exactly how I'm able to have sex throughout the day with libido and ED issue's. It's called PT-141. This peptide makes me rock fukin hard for 36 - 48 hours each time I take it. I can have sex for hours, repeatedly, until my GF or wife says "no more". The stuff is amazing. But if I don't take it, than I have ED issue's and my libido still sucks but low libido doesn't stop me from having sex, it just reduces my desire. But my desire to please my partners is more than enough to get me going. I don't understand why anyone would think getting off, or wanting to, 4, 5, 6+ times in a day would be so unbelievable. I had absolutely no problem doing just that the first 3 weeks on TRT. Now as I work through this, learning, I have to use PT-141. I don't know if it works for all guys, but for me, I can get rock hard instantly, repeatedly, for 36 - 48 hours.

As far as getting "IU's mixed up and having vast experience using tren and test it's because when I cycled, I never did such small doses and until recently, never used slin pins for administering the gear. I obviously used 3 CC intramuscular pins. I've never really dealt with IU's but with TRT, I'm doing small daily injections. I initially was taking 14 MG's of testosterone using slin pins which was around 7 units. Now I'm currently taking double that, 28 MG's Testosterone daily or 14 units. Please accept my apologies for misunderstanding "UI's" and "units".

There. Do you feel better now ??? If there's more interest and you want to put your money up, I'll be happy to create an Only Fans page and I'll be happy to take your money and show you how I have sex repeatedly with my wife and GF's. In fact, we were just discussing this last Friday and wondering how much money we might be able to generate. Thanks for the interest.

 

[Over50Adventurer]

This is a pretty entertaining thread, I gotta say. I'm just dropping in to say that I definitely don't pay $200 to $300 for fully legit HCG. I pay $138 for 10ml/10,000iu's of name-brand Pregnyl from Optum Specialty Pharmacy. I got connected with them through Defy after Empower had to stop making theirs. That includes shipping, syringes, and they'll even throw in a sharps container at no extra charge. Great folks.

With that pricing I'd never consider any other option. Just too many risks for something affecting something so sensitive.

Drug350, I'm right there with you in trying to get my libido and sexual performance dialed in. Right now my numbers are pretty out of whack, with TT >1500, Free T 41.2, and Estradiol at 40.3. Great for making gains at the gym but not so great in the bedroom.

Lots of folks say the key to the libido and sexual performance is to get the right ratio between TT and Estradiol. Somewhere between 14:1 and 20:1. Others say the key is to have Estradiol between 25 and 35 regardless of where TT is. I'm not sure who is right, so I'm gonna try to do both and shoot for TT of 700 and Estradiol at 35.

 

[Over50Adventurer]

Oh, and I can corroborate the PT-141 testimony. It's pretty fun stuff, but it does turn me really red in the face for a few hours. It's also pretty difficult to reach orgasm on the second or later rounds. I'm still kind of experimenting with it, but it definitely does give you a great temporary libido and erections.

 

[andrewBwinter]

A lot of guys don’t realize they have to address the underlining dysfunction that lead to the low-T to improve symptoms on TRT....

Concussion and whiplash. Both traumas lead to cellular damage that degraded over time. "My brain hurts" - The Gumbys Monty Python

Association of Concussion Symptoms With Testosterone Levels and Erectile Dysfunction in Former Professional US-Style Football Players - PMC

Are professional US-style football players with a history of multiple concussion symptoms more likely to report indicators of low testosterone levels or erectile dysfunction (ED)? In this cross-sectional study of 3409 former players, a monotonically ...

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[Drug350]

This is a pretty entertaining thread, I gotta say. I'm just dropping in to say that I definitely don't pay $200 to $300 for fully legit HCG. I pay $138 for 10ml/10,000iu's of name-brand Pregnyl from Optum Specialty Pharmacy. I got connected with them through Defy after Empower had to stop making theirs. That includes shipping, syringes, and they'll even throw in a sharps container at no extra charge. Great folks.

With that pricing I'd never consider any other option. Just too many risks for something affecting something so sensitive.

Drug350, I'm right there with you in trying to get my libido and sexual performance dialed in. Right now my numbers are pretty out of whack, with TT >1500, Free T 41.2, and Estradiol at 40.3. Great for making gains at the gym but not so great in the bedroom.

Lots of folks say the key to the libido and sexual performance is to get the right ratio between TT and Estradiol. Somewhere between 14:1 and 20:1. Others say the key is to have Estradiol between 25 and 35 regardless of where TT is. I'm not sure who is right, so I'm gonna try to do both and shoot for TT of 700 and Estradiol at 35.

Yes. I'm doing just like you. With TRT, there obviously is no "right way" or "only way" to do TRT. You can ask 20 different doctors and get 20 different opinions and plans, many of them contradicting other doctors. Shit. Just read this website for proof. The problem is, many guys find something that works for them, and therefore, they feel they've found the solution and this is the best way to take TRT. Obviously that's BULLSHIT. As far as I'm concerned, I don't give a shit what the overall numbers are, be it 400 or 1800, as long as the sides are controlled and the results you want are achieved, with minimal risk. I come here to hear opinions and read what others are doing. My TRT/Urologist has a strict range of 400 - 700 for totals. That's it. If I come to her tomorrow at 700 and still feel like shit, yet come back at 800 and feel great, she'll cut me off and not have me as a patient. I went to another TRT clinic for the HCG and the doctor spoke to me for 70 seconds total, asking me "what I want" and than prescribed it. So I plan on finding out for myself what works best for me. I'm not going to pay 25 different doctors who will all take my money, and give me a "cookie cutter" plan.

 

[Over50Adventurer]

Yes. I'm doing just like you. With TRT, there obviously is no "right way" or "only way" to do TRT. You can ask 20 different doctors and get 20 different opinions and plans, many of them contradicting other doctors. Shit. Just read this website for proof. The problem is, many guys find something that works for them, and therefore, they feel they've found the solution and this is the best way to take TRT. Obviously that's BULLSHIT. As far as I'm concerned, I don't give a shit what the overall numbers are, be it 400 or 1800, as long as the sides are controlled and the results you want are achieved, with minimal risk. I come here to hear opinions and read what others are doing. My TRT/Urologist has a strict range of 400 - 700 for totals. That's it. If I come to her tomorrow at 700 and still feel like shit, yet come back at 800 and feel great, she'll cut me off and not have me as a patient. I went to another TRT clinic for the HCG and the doctor spoke to me for 70 seconds total, asking me "what I want" and than prescribed it. So I plan on finding out for myself what works best for me. I'm not going to pay 25 different doctors who will all take my money, and give me a "cookie cutter" plan.

Honestly, you should call Defy. I've been with them for 6+ years and every single consult is an hour long. With a doctor that knows TRT very well. They definitely won't force you to keep under an arbitrary number and really care about what you're trying to do.

 

[Drug350]

Oh, and I can corroborate the PT-141 testimony. It's pretty fun stuff, but it does turn me really red in the face for a few hours. It's also pretty difficult to reach orgasm on the second or later rounds. I'm still kind of experimenting with it, but it definitely does give you a great temporary libido and erections.

Yup. Melanotan 2 gives me similar results, plus a tan, but I get the flushing and weird "constant stretching" from it. I don't get any sides from PT-141. The only thing I get are unbelievable rock hard hard on's. The morning wood is fukin crazy !!!! Just insane when I'm on PT-141. I'm really excited to try the newest libido / ED peptide called kisspeptin. The place I buy my peptides sells legit shit and they're out of stock, but I can't wait to try it. Look it up. It's supposed to be incredible. Better than PT-141.

 

[JmarkH]

@Drug360, Much of your posting comes across as extremely sophomoric. When that comes from someone supposedly born in 68, tons of mental health red flags pop up. There is a multitude of telehealth mental health providers out there nowadays. I encourage you to contact one. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m afraid you won’t make it another year. Do yourself a favor and the significancts in your life and reach out for help.

I have 17 years of experience working with troubled people and have sound intuition.

Best of luck.

 

[Coconutz]

@Drug360, Much of your posting comes across as extremely sophomoric. When that comes from someone supposedly born in 68, tons of mental health red flags pop up. There is a multitude of telehealth mental health providers out there nowadays. I encourage you to contact one. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m afraid you won’t make it another year. Do yourself a favor and the significancts in your life and reach out for help.

I have 17 years of experience working with troubled people and have sound intuition.

Best of luck.

BAHAHAHAHA Hey Freud, Whats MY diagnosis?? My plumber has 40 plus years of experience and has sound intuition as well. and he just fucked up putting my new shower in. cold was hot, hot was cold. Just because you do something for decades, doesnt mean you never make yourself look like a fool again.

To me, it sounds like Drug 350 is a great multitasker that likes to please multiple women. This a lifestyle that you obviously dont understand, not immaturity. Hes not the only one that lives like this, and needs the functioning libdio that you dont need.

The mental health side of healthcare is an even bigger joke than the doctors that dont know how to manage mens hormones. Words will ALWAYS be subjective and left up to interpretation. for example, my little sisters 27 year old female friend just became some sort of 'therapist'. You trying to tell me a 27 year old girl can give drug350, a man born in 1968, advice on life and how to overcome lifes adversaries?? pffffft. 'therapy' is just another way to rob scared weak people that dont have the intelligence to manage their own lives. it cracks me up how people just throw money at ANY person that has a framed piece of paper on the wall. Degrees are useless, and just the extortion fee to get a job at a fortune 500 company. Life experience is priceless.

By the way Sigmund freud was a cokehead that wasnt smart enough to stop smoking tobacco, and would rather have countless mouth surgeries from the cancer he gave himself. Then justified it by saying it helps with creativity. Some genius, huh?? lol The guy ingests cocaine, then gives people HIS opinion of them. LOL. Textbook narcissism. Think he knew that about himself? of course he did, which is why he claims its seen as a flaw. Do as i say, not as i do. Anybody thats ever been cocaine addict, knows you shouldnt be taken seriously in that dopamine rampant state of mind. He ingested cocaine for years. My question is, who psychoanalyzed the man that started psycho analyzation? lol The first person in ANY field to think of something new gets idolized. Even cokeheads.

 

[Drug350]

@Drug360, Much of your posting comes across as extremely sophomoric. When that comes from someone supposedly born in 68, tons of mental health red flags pop up. There is a multitude of telehealth mental health providers out there nowadays. I encourage you to contact one. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m afraid you won’t make it another year. Do yourself a favor and the significancts in your life and reach out for help.

I have 17 years of experience working with troubled people and have sound intuition.

Best of luck.

Thank you for your interest. Yes. I'm born in 68. 54 year's young. Will I live another year, maybe. Maybe not. I'm in good shape. All my markers look great or good. My fasted morning blood sugar is 85 or below. My cholesterol is 192 and dropping with my good cholesterol being at least OK at 42. Sure. It could definitely be higher but it's always been in the 40's as long as I can remember. Triglycerides are in the 80's. I've never smoked a cigarette in my life and I don't drink alcohol, or haven't since my 20's. I have great health care and get yearly full physicals. I just dropped a grand to have my entire heart health looked at including doing a cardiac CT scan to check for any blockage. My father is 90 years old and still going strong while my mom is 80 and in similar health. No heart disease or cancer in my immediate family. I do 1 hour of cardio anywhere from 3 to 7 times a week, along with weight training. I'm 6 foot tall and weigh 185 pounds, 10% BF, with a 31" waist. I eat a clean diet, avoid sugar, energy drinks, soda, and snacks. I live on chicken breast, fish, rice, and vegetables. I rarely ever eat "junk food", ala pizza, burgers, etc....
I do love sex and having as much as I can. I suppose you believe that's my mental flaw and a major reason to seek treatment. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't see it that way. I NEVER lie to my wife or GF's. I cannot do that. They participate freely of their own accord and no one gets hurt. I'm not into any crazy fetishes. Just straight normal heterosexual sex, and lots of it.
Thanks for taking your time to post and offer your advice. I'll pass.

 

[Drug350]

Honestly, you should call Defy. I've been with them for 6+ years and every single consult is an hour long. With a doctor that knows TRT very well. They definitely won't force you to keep under an arbitrary number and really care about what you're trying to do.

I will definitely take the time to look them up. Honestly, what I've discovered in this new "Tele-health internet, zoom, phone, Healthcare" is that it's all about dollar signs. That's what the majority of these clinics are here for, sending major profits up to their shareholders. These clinics understand the only way they stay in business, make profits, and continue to have repeat customers, I mean patients, is to prescribe what the patient wants and expects. If they don't, these patients will simply find another clinic that will. Those are facts. So finding a doctor who truly cares about an individuals health seems to be rare. Most care only about the money.
I will look Defy up.

 

[Over50Adventurer]

I will definitely take the time to look them up. Honestly, what I've discovered in this new "Tele-health internet, zoom, phone, Healthcare" is that it's all about dollar signs. That's what the majority of these clinics are here for, sending major profits up to their shareholders. These clinics understand the only way they stay in business, make profits, and continue to have repeat customers, I mean patients, is to prescribe what the patient wants and expects. If they don't, these patients will simply find another clinic that will. Those are facts. So finding a doctor who truly cares about an individuals health seems to be rare. Most care only about the money.
I will look Defy up.

I agree that’s the case with most clinics. Defy is now telehealth, but I’m local to them and most of my appointments before the pandemic were in person. I’ve never been to any medical provider of any kind that spent a full hour with me every single time I met them. These guys do, unless I specifically tell them that all my questions have been answered.

I’ve also emailed them between consults and received a callback from the doctor himself to discuss my question. If that’s not good patient care, I don’t know what is. All that being said, educating yourself and advocating for yourself is always a good idea.