Daily Injections of Testosterone

[Dr Justin Saya MD]

I agree with Vince and CW.

I read and read and read before even going to the Dr. I read more and more on protocols and knowing our bodies dump a small dose of testosterone per day I thought doing so only made the best sense. I was doing 3.5 for a few weeks and said **** it and went daily at 10mg. No AI, and I don't know my SHBG.

Been staying at around 1000 on BW. Feel great when I get proper rest.

I like the mention of "feel great when I get proper rest"...sometimes I see people lose focus on the multitude of variables that contribute to our subjective response. There is certainly much more than hormones at play here. Hormonal optimization simply opens the door to POTENTIALLY feeling our best, but all of the other variables need to fall into place for us to truly be optimized. Sleep, exercise, and stress mitigation are three of the most important.

 

[timps369]

Had consult with Dr Calkins today. He is a knowledgeable and professional guy. I will be upping my dose to 50 mg 3 times a week, M W F plus HCG 300 mg and Anastrozole .125 on the same days. Hopefully hematocrit will stay within range and get more consistent libido and muscle gain.

 

[Bud Black]

UPDATE: Been on TRT over 2 yrs and on daily pins for little over 2 months. I am loving daily pins. However I now have ED, E2 is 26, TT is 1000+ FT was 26 but now is 16. SHBG stays around 46 no matter daily or E3D pins. Only thing I have changed lately is a I started hCG daily 120mgs. I can tell no difference in the addition to the hCG. Only thing I see is the drop in FT. Weird. I do take 1200 mg arginine and citrulline daily. 3 months ago a cat couldn't scratch my wood. Libido is there, I can get 80% and start the act but quickly subsides. I so finish by hand and I have an awesome orgasm and oxytocin works afterwards LOL....Prolactin is good. DHEA & DHT is mid range too. Really didn't want to take Cialis or such but it looks like I might have to. Depressing as hell. just need to really find the issue. thanks gents

 

[Sakuraba39]

"Only thing I have changed lately is a I started hCG daily"


There you go

 

[Vince]

"Only thing I have changed lately is a I started hCG daily"


There you go

What is your full protocol, T, HCG, AI and stuff like DHEA

 

[Bud Black]

What is your full protocol, T, HCG, AI and stuff like DHEA

16 mg tc, daily
120 hcg daily
25 mg dhea daily
no ai

 

[Vince]

16 mg tc, daily
120 hcg daily
25 mg dhea daily
no ai

Wow looks like an excellent protocol, do you inject the T and HCG in the same syringe.

 

[LTChris]

Is it necessay to backfill a 2 piece syringe. Could you not use a all-in-one syringe/needle, pull hcg vial then go directly into test vial and pull. Same syringe?

 

[lenny]

Could you not use a all-in-one syringe/needle, pull hcg vial then go directly into test vial and pull. Same syringe?

That's pretty much what Nelson does, all one syringe, no backloading or swapping needles out. He has a video demonstrating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uXoBb6mkys

 

[LTChris]

Thanks, i misunderstood. I would think it would be better to load hcg first to flushout upon injection. I am thinking of going daily on both myself. Just hcg daily now.

 

[LTChris]

I tried vergel's method (test cyp/HCG same syringe) this morning. I had some trouble. I got a little testosterone in my HCG. a couple of small bubbles floating around. Do you think that will degrade HCG?

 

[Vince]

I tried vergel's method (test cyp/HCG same syringe) this morning. I had some trouble. I got a little testosterone in my HCG. a couple of small bubbles floating around. Do you think that will degrade HCG?

No I don't think that it will degrade HCG. I did Nelson's method for one year, I did switch back to two syringes. When using Nelson's method, all my levels were good. Now that I do daily T and HCG only twice a week, occasionally on my HCG day I will add my T in the same syringe.

 

[LTChris]

No I don't think that it will degrade HCG. I did Nelson's method for one year, I did switch back to two syringes. When using Nelson's method, all my levels were good. Now that I do daily T and HCG only twice a week, occasionally on my HCG day I will add my T in the same syringe.

Thanks, i'll relax a bit

 

[Grrrr]

What is the preferred size for daily injections? 5/16" 31g to reduce scar tissue as much as possible?

 

[Vince]

What is the preferred size for daily injections? 5/16" 31g to reduce scar tissue as much as possible?

I like injecting with easy touch 29g 1/2" syringe for a shallow IM, I would think a 31g 5/16" for a Sub-Q should also work.

 

[Vince Carter]

What is the preferred size for daily injections? 5/16" 31g to reduce scar tissue as much as possible?

There's no such thing as scare tissue for what we're doing with 29 or 31g syringes. Nothing at all.

 

[Vince Carter]

"Only thing I have changed lately is a I started hCG daily"


There you go

Poeple overlook the simplest things.

 

[trt reznor]

Hi guys. First post here. I’ve been following this thread with great interest. I’ve been haunting all of these forums for years and this protocol seems to make a lot of sense. I’ve tried clomid in the past with poor results (Urologist not monitoring E2, Clomid dose too high). Anyway, I have my first appointment and bloodwork results coming up in a week and a half, and this may be the first protocol I try to go with, instead of mixing in hCG and an AI. My question to @coastwatcher and Vince- is testicular shrinkage/atrophy the same with this protocol as with your older ones? I seem to remember you being on test only CW. Thanks

 

[Oupa]

Hello Everyone, new user here.

Sorry to bump such an old thread, but I found it whilst looking for solutions....

Short synopsis, diagnosed with secondary hypogonadism and restarts have been unsuccessful, therefore have been on TestE for the past 3 years odd, started the TRT regimen of TestE 180 mg / week (90mg every 3.5 days), HcG (250IU every 3.5 days) & arimidex (0.25mg every 3.5 days)...

Therapy worked well for about 4 weeks and then things started going haywire, long story short, SHGB very low (last test 17.5 nmol/L Range 11.1 - 78.1), seem to be an over responder to Arimidex meaning that I cannot reliably control E2 levels, but without it, E2 levels are at the top end of the range, Test levels (total) at top end of range, Free T, WAY over top end of range. I also react immediately to HcG, probably due to the high E2 levels in the scrotum area that can not be managed by an AI (at least, that is what I have been led to believe)

The result? Dropped everything but the TestE and lowered that dose down to 90mg / wk (45mg every 3.5 days). This brings free T in line, but E2 still elevated and SHBG still low. This all means that in effect, no benefit is being felt from TRT...

Phew, after all that, and reading this thread, I would like to move over to daily injections in lieu of low SHBG and to control E2 in a better fashion.

I would like to find out from you, if you would be kind enough to reply:

1) Okay to pin 20mg / day for a total of 140 mg / week considering I am currently at 90 mg / week?
2) My last pin was Monday morning, next is due Thursday evening, if I should move to daily pinning, when would my next pin ideally be? Friday morning?

Thanks for reading this far, I look forward to your replies..

Oupa

 

[Vince]

Oupa, welcome to ExcelMale. I would think that 20 mg will be too high. I originally started with 20 mg of testosterone cypionate and my levels were way out of range high. The dose I use now is 16 mg daily.