My HPTA recovery log: I have reversed my type 2 diabetes (SHBG 31/glucose 80) and may have never had hypogonadism!!

Mastodont said:

Yes i was going to say this too, i have personally been able to reap benefits of testosterone after stopping for quite some time.

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Interesting. How long did you maintain the positive benefits, and how long did it take for the negatives to return(if they ever did)? When hearing stories of people stopping we usually hear about them feeling like crap pretty quickly, but I wonder how much of that is “placebo” and how much is due to the actual decrease in levels and/or return of negatives.

I figured out what’s causing my issues with regards to eating red meat and thinking I’m experiencing excess iron absorption, it’s not that. I consume vitamin C *****’s in the morning along with 1 ounce of orange juice to equal 100 mg of vitamin C, which is my perfect dose. Anymore any less and it goes too far on the other direction.

My skin turns orange when my vitamin C levels get too high and I don’t feel too well when it’s starting to fall. The point here is on the carnivore diet. My body hasn’t transitioned over to using fat for energy because I’m eating a very, very small amount of carbs, which is precisely the problem.

If my body still operating on carbs that I’m eating a very small amount, that’s not enough to get me through the day. So I performed a little experiment. After eating red meat and feeling weak I went and ate something with moderate carbs and bamb, energy through the entire day!

Those symptoms disappeared quickly. I really need to find vitamin C that’s 100 mg and doesn’t have any carbs in it so I can go on a true carnivore diet to wear my body transitions over to fat for energy.

If I eat red peppers with vitamin C in it, I can’t do it properly, i’ll get too much. Also, red peppers has 6 grams carbs in it.

Vitamin C supplement equaling 100 mg, how?

Any ideas?

Systemlord said:

Vitamin C supplement equaling 100 mg, how?

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Kal C-Rex:

Systemlord said:

I figured out what’s causing my issues with regards to eating red meat and thinking I’m experiencing excess iron absorption, it’s not that. I consume vitamin C *****’s in the morning along with 1 ounce of orange juice to equal 100 mg of vitamin C, which is my perfect dose. Anymore any less and it goes too far on the other direction.

My skin turns orange when my vitamin C levels get too high and I don’t feel too well when it’s starting to fall. The point here is on the carnivore diet.

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Systemlord said:

My body hasn’t transitioned over to using fat for energy because I’m eating a very, very small amount of carbs, which is precisely the problem.

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Observation very good. IMHO you jump to quickly to conclusions.

Systemlord said:

If my body still operating on carbs that I’m eating a very small amount, that’s not enough to get me through the day. So I performed a little experiment. After eating red meat and feeling weak I went and ate something with moderate carbs and bamb, energy through the entire day!

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Here one could also assume that a long-acting carb source might be beneficial

Systemlord said:

Those symptoms disappeared quickly. I really need to find vitamin C that’s 100 mg and doesn’t have any carbs in it so I can go on a true carnivore diet to wear my body transitions over to fat for energy.

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Enough fat in your diet? You can experiment with the prot/fat ratio

Systemlord said:

If I eat red peppers with vitamin C in it, I can’t do it properly, i’ll get too much. Also, red peppers has 6 grams carbs in it.

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What you mentioned previously makes sense, your perception (brain,cns) is oversensitive compared to the average.

Systemlord said:

Vitamin C supplement equaling 100 mg, how?

Any ideas?

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Systemlord said:

Please don’t forget about my father’s low T value in his 70’s. He’s doing very well at 91 and still very mobile. He moves around at a quick pace. He still washes his own cars, pays golf and does normal stuff and even dances.

Like father like son.

The only thing holding me back slightly is the vitamin D related problem. My body seems to have a love-hate relationship with vitamin D. I’m either urinating out lots of calcium, and when I’m not urinating out my calcium, the leg swelling and redness occurs, all pointing to hypercalcemia like symptoms.

Newsflash, you can still have normal parathyroid hormone with normal calcium, and have a parathyroid hormone problem.

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I'm sorry if it has been asked frequently but have you tried cutting the d out for a while, seems you are hellbent on taking it daily? And please elaborate how you can have a parathyroid problem with none of the markers? You are supposed to check albumin corrected or ionized calcium as i'm sure you are aware.

Phil Goodman said:

Interesting. How long did you maintain the positive benefits, and how long did it take for the negatives to return(if they ever did)? When hearing stories of people stopping we usually hear about them feeling like crap pretty quickly, but I wonder how much of that is “placebo” and how much is due to the actual decrease in levels and/or return of negatives.

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up to six months, it does gradually decline and there is a dip at first but when the bodys functions normalize i guess it works better for a while and you get a boost in hormones that tend to lag while on testosterone, like progesterone...not sure but i know of others that have gotten higher natural t-levels compared to pre trt, then to eventually see it decline again. Nagging pains and loss of recovery are usually signs that what was cured on t has been ruined by low t once again...pretty sure eunuchs never performed much physical labour.

Mastodont said:

And please elaborate how you can have a parathyroid problem with none of the markers?

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There’s a new variant only discovered a year ago, where the only tell tale sign is elevated urinary calcium, but has normal serum calcium, and normal parathyroid hormone.

Elevated calcium excretion through the urine and all the classic symptoms of parathyroidism. My shoulders hurt like hell, especially when I urinate. My urine is very dark, urinary calcium is elevated and it’s difficult to urinate in the morning.

Kidneys checkout, liver is fine.

I’ve had to reduce my dose of vitamin D down below 1000 IU, as I can’t tolerate anything above that without side effects. 2000 IU was fine to get my levels up, but it is not a maintenance dosage for me.

Mastodont said:

You are supposed to check albumin corrected or ionized calcium as i'm sure you are aware.

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I didn’t know that and I don’t think my Kaiser doctors know that either.

Systemlord said:

There’s a new variant only discovered a year ago, where the only tell tale sign is elevated urinary calcium, but has normal serum calcium, and normal parathyroid hormone.

Elevated calcium excretion through the urine and all the classic symptoms of parathyroidism. My shoulders hurt like hell, especially when I urinate. My urine is very dark, urinary calcium is elevated and it’s difficult to urinate in the morning.

Kidneys checkout, liver is fine.

I’ve had to reduce my dose of vitamin D down below 1000 IU, as I can’t tolerate anything above that without side effects. 2000 IU was fine to get my levels up, but it is not a maintenance dosage for me.


I didn’t know that and I don’t think my Kaiser doctors know that either.

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What was your hba1c with type 2 diabetes?

Fernando Almaguer said:

What was your hba1c with type 2 diabetes?

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Right now, my A1c is hovering just above normal. Fasting 108-120, night time fasting is often <100 because I’m metabolically active all day. I’m still having a strange response to vitamin D supplementation. If I cut down my vitamin D from 1800 and side effects, cut down to 1600, then a day later 1400, on this day my energy is absolutely insane and my mind is very sharp.

The stars are aligning for me at this point, only for the rug to be taken out from underneath me at the end of the day. I feel as if I have vitamin D deficiency at the end of the day and this was the same experience on TRT. If go back to 1800 and vitamin toxicity symptoms restart, only not as bad as when on TRT.

I feel as if my vitamin D levels are not high enough at times, but whatever medical condition is making me lose calcium is causing problems for me. It says if the half-life of vitamin D is cut down to a few hours instead of weeks.

I’m still losing calcium in my urine and this had me thinking that my requirements for vitamin D are going up because I’m depleting calcium. Calcium helps, extend the half-life of vitamin D.

During this taper drown on dosing of vitamin D, my muscles are harder, look fuller and I’m strong AF! I wake up with full size testicles in the morning, I take vitamin D and my testicles pull all the way up into my scrotum.

I’m working 8-10 hour days, I feel okay, at times amazing. You may have notice I’ve spent less time posting. This should be a sign I’m doing better than the last several years.

Well, it's been more than a month since I set foot in the gym, today was my day off and I don't get many of those these days. I'm noticeably stronger, can do more reps and can really push it without feeling run down, something I alway felt on TRT regardless of the dosage.

My heart rate stay slightly elevated 100 bpm for a few hours after the workout, but I felt perfectly fine.

Long before I stopped working out my arms started quivering violently, some people even noticed it.

I really pushed it hard in the gym today with energy to spare afterwords!

Sleep is great!

Things are progressing with you know who, she's falling hard.

My estrogen labs are in, 18 pg/mL. The other labs are incoming. A1C 5.9. Urinary calcium is still high, doctor prescribed a diuretic, I declined as I’m already close to dehydration as it is.

Sometimes I feel as if my doctors aren’t paying attention to what I tell them and their actions are guided by guidelines rather than thinking for themselves. Diuretics always cause massive dehydration and electrolyte imbalances.

He knows this and still prescribes a diuretic to block the calcium loss.