Sub Cuetaneous Transition

[TDM812]

I have been battling high estrogen, for a few months. After posting my challenges on here, I received great advice - split my dose of 140 weekly, in 2 - 70 mg doses. I started out by doing .35 dex at injection time and I tanked, went to .25 tanked, so this week I didn’t take any with injections and my nighttime erections came back sostring they put a California Redwood to shame. So, I think my estrogen mystery has been solved. Now my problem is fatigue, weak, and I have “snapped” a couple times over stupid stuff. I had labs pulled on Thursday, but I won’t get results until next week. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what the problem is now? I made the sub q split about 3 weeks ago.

 

[Vince]

Thyroid levels? TSH, free T4, free T3, reverse T3 and both antibodies.

The Importance Of Pituitary And Thyroid Testing Before Beginning Testosterone Therapy | Discounted Labs

 

[Deleted member 16042]

.35 and .25 doses are hefty. I respond better to smaller dosing across the board, am doing 0.0625mg (1/16mg) anastrozole along with T cyp 24mg and HCG 260iu all EOD

 

[madman]

I have been battling high estrogen, for a few months. After posting my challenges on here, I received great advice - split my dose of 140 weekly, in 2 - 70 mg doses. I started out by doing .35 dex at injection time and I tanked, went to .25 tanked, so this week I didn’t take any with injections and my nighttime erections came back sostring they put a California Redwood to shame. So, I think my estrogen mystery has been solved. Now my problem is fatigue, weak, and I have “snapped” a couple times over stupid stuff. I had labs pulled on Thursday, but I won’t get results until next week. Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what the problem is now? I made the sub q split about 3 weeks ago.

You need labs posted for anyone to even know where your TT/FT and e2 (sensitive assay) levels sit on such a protocol.

What are your SHBG levels?

 

[TDM812]

Thyroid levels? TSH, free T4, free T3, reverse T3 and both antibodies.

The Importance Of Pituitary And Thyroid Testing Before Beginning Testosterone Therapy | Discounted Labs

Good call - I will pull my last labs. How long does it take to adjust/stabilize when switching to split dose ?

 

[Vince]

Good call - I will pull my last labs. How long does it take to adjust/stabilize when switching to split dose ?

Your levels should stabilize in 6 weeks after adjusting protocol. I like to wait 12 weeks, it takes me that long before I can feel the difference.

 

[TDM812]

Your levels should stabilize in 6 weeks after adjusting protocol. I like to wait 12 weeks, it takes me that long before I can feel the difference.

What do you think the liklihood of the change to split being the source of my symptoms?

 

[Vince Carter]

You're taking to big of a swing at too many things to know whats going on, splitting dose, taking .35 and then .25mg, you've done too much at one-time and all this speculation isn't helpful to you or any one else that is reading it. You need to follow the advice that was given to you...6 weeks and stop playing with your doses and frequency.

 

[Vince]

You're taking to big of a swing at too many things to know whats going on, splitting dose, taking .35 and then .25mg, you've done too much at one-time and all this speculation isn't helpful to you or any one else that is reading it. You need to follow the advice that was given to you...6 weeks and stop playing with your doses and frequency.

Yep Vince Carter is right. Take it slow, like so many member say. Trt is a marathon, not a Sprint.

 

[TDM812]

Yep Vince Carter is right. Take it slow, like so many member say. Trt is a marathon, not a Sprint.

What does everyone suggest to start? I’m at 70mg cyp x2 weekly. I’m considering dropping the adex to .15 at time of injection. Thoughts?

 

[Vince Carter]

I'm going to stay the course and get labs in 6 weeks, thanks for the advice guys

Well looky there!

 

[Vince]

Inject 50 mg of testosterone twice a week for six weeks and have labs. Skip the AI and HCG.

 

[TDM812]

I received partial labs today:

Quest Diagnostics
1.61 Free
776 Total
18 Estradiol

This was exactly 3 days after my last .70 injection, and .35 adex. At the time of lab work I have been on .7 x2 weekly for about 3 weeks.

Looks like a pretty big drop in test free/total. Wouldn’t this cause fatigue, weakness, etc.?

Labs prior to this on a 140mg 1 time weekly:
2.01 free
1203 total
<15 estradiol