Why do some need a higher dose while others need a little?

[Will Brink]

Well said Will!

What is your trough at on 180 mg/week?

What would your test levels be at during your brawny days! Picture never ceases to amaze me Mr. Brink dwarfing the SHADOW unreal.

Actually, I'm way overdue to testing that.

 

[ZoomyR6]

The entire process is such a hassle, the doctor won't listen, and the pharmacy has their rules and the insurance company theirs.

CVS Pharmacy will not refill a 28 day supply (1 month) until 3 days before the next injection, or on day 26. So you have 3 days to get to the pharmacy and get the refill before next injection. So I go to the CVS on day 28 thinking I am going to get my medicine, go home and take it, only to discover the CVS was out of Test C, and wouldn't have any more for 2 days, which later became 5 days. So then I am 5 days past due.

So if I go to 8 day cycles for injections, I should have 4 days of medicine left over at the end of each month and with CVS's 3 day grace period that gives me 7 days to get my refill on time even if they are currently out. That's the entire reason for this.

It's the same for the 84 day (3 month supply) they will only allow a refill on day 82. So in that case going to 8 days between injections I would have enough medicine left over to have 15 days to get it refilled and not possibly miss a dose.

My doctor is obtuse, he won't listen. He wants to prescribeme 10ml at a time, but CVS says my insurance will only pay for 6ml (3 month'ssupply) at one time so I ask the doctor to make the prescription for 6ml. Know what he said? He says he can't do that as the pharmacy won't pull 4ml out of a 10ml bottle and sell it like that. I try to explain to him I can get six 1MLbottles but he wont listen and insists on the 10ml amount.

So I got a 10ml prescription, CVS gave me 6Ml supply for 3 months with six 1ml bottles, I use that up and go back for the above mentioned refill to hear them tell me they don't need to call the dr for approval yet that I still have 4ml (2 month's supply) left on my original prescription but my insurance only pays for a 1 month or 3 month's supply, not 2 months so I only get a 1 month supply and have to go back again in 28 days and get the last 1ml or 1 months supply and go thru this hassle again and pay another copay.

Its starting to really become a hassle. All the dr has to do is call in a 6ml prescription with 1 refill and I see him again in 6 months as scheduled. Simple as that.

Why can't it be that easy and why can't the pharmacy have the crap in stock?

Avoid CVS. They are known for that. Stick with Costco or Walgreens.

 

[ZoomyR6]

Guys, this thread yielded great responses, thank you.

Another question regarding EOD injections. How does this work exactly? Example of 100mg/wk EOD protocol:
Week 1
Sun-25mg, Tues-25mg, Thurs-25mg, Sat-25mg=100mg for the week
Week 2
Mon-25mg, Wed-25mg, Fri-25mg=75mg for the week

One week you will have 100mg and the other week you will have 75mg. Is this how its done?

 

[FeelingLost]

Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturday Monday...

 

[ZoomyR6]

Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturday Monday...

Monday Wednesday Friday (Week 1) Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturday (Week 2) Monday (Part of week 3)
I may be thinking too much into it but thats a 3 day, 4day, 3 day schedule

 

[FeelingLost]

Monday Wednesday Friday (Week 1) Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturday (Week 2) Monday (Part of week 3)
I may be thinking too much into it but thats a 3 day, 4day, 3 day schedule

I believe the 40 days to reach steady state for T cyp will average everything out.
If you are injecting EOD your T lvl will be quite stable after 40 days.
If you drew blood on the monday before your shot or the tuesday before your shot the TT would be the same.

 

[ZoomyR6]

I believe the 40 days to reach steady state for T cyp will average everything out.
If you are injecting EOD your T lvl will be quite stable after 40 days.
If you drew blood on the monday before your shot or the tuesday before your shot the TT would be the same.

I think I get it now.
I can see it being deceiving to someone (obviously me as well) when someone says 100, 200, etc... a week injections EOD when some weeks you will be under due to a 3 day injection week.
Unless you are supposed to add more to those 3 day weeks to equal the weekly dose.

 

[James]

I believe it may for some. Doing daily injection and eliminating the high spiking of T, seems to help control high E2 and high HCT for some members.

Precisely my experience. Especially the controlling of E2.

 

[Systemlord]

The only thing you need to realise is you're injecting every 2 days no matter how many days there are in the week.

 

[James]

No HCG, no AI, yup. I think KISS is the best approach, unless otherwise indicated. For example, a man who wants to keep fertility and nad size up, needs HCG. In my case, don't care about either, and if anything, the suppressed sperm count a plus and smaller nads make your penis look bigger.

My E2 tends to stay in a range that would not warrant an AI, and I think many have found, use of an AI often does more harm than good, and for most, E2 can be controlled via fat loss, change of schedule, etc. I know there's the debate that HCG supports some pathways suppressed by TRT, but also seems subjectively, hit or miss in how men feel, and that's one more cost and thing to worry about.

You have a robust system. Many men, including myself, would not be in a good place if injecting 180 mg once a week with no AI. Currently injecting 50 mg twice weekly, in my conservative approach to TRT. That's my version of KISS. With the exception of a brief hiatus, I've been on testosterone consistently for many years and recently stared HCG for 1st time. Fortunately I'm responding better than I thought I would. At least subjectively. But as you know, many men experience no benefit.

 

[Vince]

You have a robust system. Many men, including myself, would not be in a good place if injecting 180 mg once a week with no AI. Currently injecting 50 mg twice weekly, in my conservative approach to TRT. That's my version of KISS. With the exception of a brief hiatus, I've been on testosterone consistently for many years and recently stared HCG for 1st time. Fortunately I'm responding better than I thought I would. At least subjectively. But as you know, many men experience no benefit.

I'm one that never needed an AI, even though I'm injecting 500iu of HCG twice a week.