Tired of these weak erections on TRT. Can't seem to find a solutions after 4 years.

[Gman86]

And one last thing on erections lol. I personally feel like the best fix for erection issues/ maintaining erectile health, is a healthy/ proper diet and frequent exercise, particularly lifting weights. I whole heartedly feel like the best way to improve erections is to optimize ur overall health, which obv includes blood vessel/ penile tissue health. That’s just my personal opinion. Take it for what it’s worth. But just like everything else in life, and with the human body, there’s usually not one factor to consider. It’s usually a number of factors that contribute to one specific result. I personally just feel like diet, exercise, decreasing stress, optimizing sleep, and optimizing overall health in general, is the single best way to improve erections

 

[TLR]

I think being 25 again and having a different member of a female championship beach volleyball team to choose from every night would work for me!

 

[jchems]

UPDATE: I've reduced my dose to 100mg/week. It's been a couple weeks. I've had night time erections almost every night the last week or so. I can't remember the last time that was happening. I've had a few spontaneous erections through some of the days. Again, that hasn't happened for a long time. The last time (early on in my TRT) I was on 100mg/week, it put my levels around 600ng/dl Total and 20ng/dl Free T. I had also started taking pregnenolone just to give it a try, so unfortunately, I'm mixing some variables. On top of that, some of my motivation has returned, my mood is better (I didn't even realize is wasn't great). Maybe my body just belongs at this low level.

 

[Gman86]

UPDATE: I've reduced my dose to 100mg/week. It's been a couple weeks. I've had night time erections almost every night the last week or so. I can't remember the last time that was happening. I've had a few spontaneous erections through some of the days. Again, that hasn't happened for a long time. The last time (early on in my TRT) I was on 100mg/week, it put my levels around 600ng/dl Total and 20ng/dl Free T. I had also started taking pregnenolone just to give it a try, so unfortunately, I'm mixing some variables. On top of that, some of my motivation has returned, my mood is better (I didn't even realize is wasn't great). Maybe my body just belongs at this low level.

How many times do u inject per week?

 

[jchems]

How many times do u inject per week?

Currently 3x, MWF.

 

[Bmac]

Also, maybe this can be helpful to some, the only times I’ve had somewhat of erection issues on HRT the past decade were when I was using an ai to control E2. It wasn’t ever too horrible, but I do remember sometimes not being able to stay fully hard, and other times where I wouldn’t be able to get hard again to go for round two a few minutes later, if needed. And there were rare occasions, while using an ai, that I had difficulty getting hard in general

Compared to now, while using primo to control E2, I get erections anytime I’m near my girl and the thought of sex pops into my head, I can keep it for as long as I want, and I can get hard within a few mins after orgasming if I want/ need to

and another side note that might be helpful, the best erections that I’ve ever had on Hrt, as far as hardness and frequency and ease of having them goes, was when I was using a deca based protocol. My penis and testicles also hung very well using a deca based protocol. Currently everything hangs a little more on the tighter end, but not horrible. And it’s been this way most of my time on HRT, other than when I was using a deca based protocol. During that year I kept deca at 200mg, and used test doses between 40mg and 100mg. I think 40-60mg/ week of test, with the 200mg of deca, was my sweet spot. Just thought I’d mention this as another possible alternate option for guys struggling with ED/ possible E2 issues. Sometimes they can go hand and hand, from what I’ve seen, even if some members disagree

You’re not the first person I’ve heard say their erectile quality was the best on a nandrolone based protocol, i wonder what the mechanism behind it is.

 

[Gman86]

You’re not the first person I’ve heard say their erectile quality was the best on a nandrolone based protocol, i wonder what the mechanism behind it is.

Ya I’d love to know as well! And I wish I knew why my penis and testicles hung better on the nandrolone based protocol. I mean, I can speculate, but that’s all it would be, is speculation. My first thoughts are that the nandrolone base allows u to have a high androgen to estrogen/ prolactin and that could be a big contributing factor. But then I think, couldn’t someone just get the same effect with an ai? And we do sometimes see guys using an ai report improved erections. But if they do, it seems like it’s difficult for them to consistently get that benefit. I remember having amazing erections basically the entire time time I was on the nandrolone base. I think when I went a little too high with the test, at 100mg/ week, with 200mg of deca/ week, I remember my erections not being as good, but still very good by most guy’s standards

I also wonder if the fact that when on a nandrolone base, u’ll have a lot of DHN in ur system, which is much weaker than DHT, but will compete at the receptor with DHT. So in layman’s terms, using nandrolone base will decrease the effects of DHT. Some guys report DHT being a little stimulating, and Im not sure, but maybe DHT is in fact stimulating to the CNS. So if dht’s effects are decreased on a nandrolone base, I wonder if that played a role in my package all hanging a bit better on it. And u would think that having less DHT in ur system would decrease libido/ erections, but I had both amazing libido and diamond like/ on demand erections on the nandrolone base, so idk what to make of that, as far as nandrolone decreasing dht’s effects go

Also, nandrolone is a progestin. Not sure if that has any positive effects on erections somehow.

Maybe lots of guys report feeling calm, cool and collected due to getting to have a high androgen to estrogen ratio, without concurrently having a high level of DHT. I know that has nothing to do with erections, but just a thought after thinking about how DHT is effected on a nandrolone based protocol

Also, I’m on primo, which lowers E2 pretty significantly, without lowering total androgens, thus increasing my androgen to estrogen ratio, but my package doesn’t hang as good as it did on the nandrolone base, and even tho erections have been really good, they’re still not as good as when I was on the nandrolone base. But not too far honestly. So idk if a nandrolone based protocol‘s benefits can simply be recreated by taking an ai or taking a DHT derivative that lowers E2, while keeping total androgens where they’re at, or actually increasing them, like in the case of taking something like primo

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

Ya I’d love to know as well! And I wish I knew why my penis and testicles hung better on the nandrolone based protocol. I mean, I can speculate, but that’s all it would be, is speculation. My first thoughts are that the nandrolone base allows u to have a high androgen to estrogen/ prolactin and that could be a big contributing factor. But then I think, couldn’t someone just get the same effect with an ai? And we do sometimes see guys using an ai report improved erections. But if they do, it seems like it’s difficult for them to consistently get that benefit. I remember having amazing erections basically the entire time time I was on the nandrolone base. I think when I went a little too high with the test, at 100mg/ week, with 200mg of deca/ week, I remember my erections not being as good, but still very good by most guy’s standards

I also wonder if the fact that when on a nandrolone base, u’ll have a lot of DHN in ur system, which is much weaker than DHT, but will compete at the receptor with DHT. So in layman’s terms, using nandrolone base will decrease the effects of DHT. Some guys report DHT being a little stimulating, and Im not sure, but maybe DHT is in fact stimulating to the CNS. So if dht’s effects are decreased on a nandrolone base, I wonder if that played a role in my package all hanging a bit better on it. And u would think that having less DHT in ur system would decrease libido/ erections, but I had both amazing libido and diamond like/ on demand erections on the nandrolone base, so idk what to make of that, as far as nandrolone decreasing dht’s effects go

Also, nandrolone is a progestin. Not sure if that has any positive effects on erections somehow.

Maybe lots of guys report feeling calm, cool and collected due to getting to have a high androgen to estrogen ratio, without concurrently having a high level of DHT. I know that has nothing to do with erections, but just a thought after thinking about how DHT is effected on a nandrolone based protocol

Also, I’m on primo, which lowers E2 pretty significantly, without lowering total androgens, thus increasing my androgen to estrogen ratio, but my package doesn’t hang as good as it did on the nandrolone base, and even tho erections have been really good, they’re still not as good as when I was on the nandrolone base. But not too far honestly. So idk if a nandrolone based protocol‘s benefits can simply be recreated by taking an ai or taking a DHT derivative that lowers E2, while keeping total androgens where they’re at, or actually increasing them, like in the case of taking something like primo

My bet would be it has something to do with adrenergic tone and a shift from a sympathetic to parasympathetic profile. You may want to check out the book or podcasts on "Adrenalin Dominance" as it discusses that progesterone counters adrenalin, which would be another clue.

 

[Gman86]

My bet would be it has something to do with adrenergic tone and a shift from a sympathetic to parasympathetic profile. You may want to check out the book or podcasts on "Adrenalin Dominance" as it discusses that progesterone counters adrenalin, which would be another clue.

Would u be able to link the podcast by any chance?

I think what ur saying could definitely be a possibility

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

Would u be able to link the podcast by any chance?

I think what ur saying could definitely be a possibility

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[Bob62]

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Great post, the bottom half about awareness on ED after TRT. I'm seeing this pattern EVERYWHERE. But people will deny deny deny.

As far as your question goes, I see you were using 10mg prop daily. Every tried lowering that to 5mg? Let me give you a recent personal example, I was using roughly 20-30mg prop daily for a couple months and recently erections got softer along with a loss of night wood. It crept in so gradually I didn't realise it. 2 weeks ago I dropped dose to 10mg daily, wham!, rock hard EQ, night erections are back. Change was immediate.




Yeah, first time I tried arimidex things got extra rock hard again (before all the crap arimidex sides crept in like joint pain). Best kept for occasional use.

Most reliable thing for me is to keep changing things up every now and then.

The thing I hate most is that EQ is 11/10 on tiny does like 10mg cyp or prop / day. But gym performance SUCKS at that dose, recovery is crap, assertiveness and confidence down the drain after a while.


Heres the best part - it's always too many orgasms in a row that breaks things no matter what the dose. Then I have to either wait a week OR do a DRASTIC temporary protocol change to get things back. The drastic change can be anything like trippling the dose, making the dose 1/3, popping an arimidex (once off, it causes a drop and then a rebound), popping a few winstrols and/or dbols. Any other compound really. All that matters is some massive change.

All of this points back to the brain, the reward circuitry, satiation and resultant dopamine response \ desensitization of pleasure pathways from being greedy with sex and especially orgasm.

"greedy with sex and especially orgasm. "

There, I said it. There's a reason lot of great people are\were celibate. They figured the nofap thing on their own.

p.s. a solution can be had by having sex with no orgasm.

Interesting, I find with one of my friends the orgasm quality with her is insane and after I am done for maybe 3 to 4 days with very poor erection in that time absent libido. Alternatively 10 regular orgasms consecutive in a week similar needs a dopamine reset.
In other words sexual exhaustiin is real probably dopamine downregulation or pharmacological as in caber and pt141 tolerance

 

[jchems]

Ya I’d love to know as well! And I wish I knew why my penis and testicles hung better on the nandrolone based protocol. I mean, I can speculate, but that’s all it would be, is speculation. My first thoughts are that the nandrolone base allows u to have a high androgen to estrogen/ prolactin and that could be a big contributing factor. But then I think, couldn’t someone just get the same effect with an ai? And we do sometimes see guys using an ai report improved erections. But if they do, it seems like it’s difficult for them to consistently get that benefit. I remember having amazing erections basically the entire time time I was on the nandrolone base. I think when I went a little too high with the test, at 100mg/ week, with 200mg of deca/ week, I remember my erections not being as good, but still very good by most guy’s standards

I also wonder if the fact that when on a nandrolone base, u’ll have a lot of DHN in ur system, which is much weaker than DHT, but will compete at the receptor with DHT. So in layman’s terms, using nandrolone base will decrease the effects of DHT. Some guys report DHT being a little stimulating, and Im not sure, but maybe DHT is in fact stimulating to the CNS. So if dht’s effects are decreased on a nandrolone base, I wonder if that played a role in my package all hanging a bit better on it. And u would think that having less DHT in ur system would decrease libido/ erections, but I had both amazing libido and diamond like/ on demand erections on the nandrolone base, so idk what to make of that, as far as nandrolone decreasing dht’s effects go

Also, nandrolone is a progestin. Not sure if that has any positive effects on erections somehow.

Maybe lots of guys report feeling calm, cool and collected due to getting to have a high androgen to estrogen ratio, without concurrently having a high level of DHT. I know that has nothing to do with erections, but just a thought after thinking about how DHT is effected on a nandrolone based protocol

Also, I’m on primo, which lowers E2 pretty significantly, without lowering total androgens, thus increasing my androgen to estrogen ratio, but my package doesn’t hang as good as it did on the nandrolone base, and even tho erections have been really good, they’re still not as good as when I was on the nandrolone base. But not too far honestly. So idk if a nandrolone based protocol‘s benefits can simply be recreated by taking an ai or taking a DHT derivative that lowers E2, while keeping total androgens where they’re at, or actually increasing them, like in the case of taking something like primo

So just to circle back and keep my thread updated...

Erection quality has been excellent. I'm at 100mg/week down from 140mg/week and injecting 3x MWF.

Erection quality returned almost immediately after dropping my dose.

Now, I've added nandrolone and primo. Running both at 100mg/week along with my 100mg testosterone cypionate. Again, erection quality is great most days.

 

[tropicaldaze1950]

UPDATE: I've reduced my dose to 100mg/week. It's been a couple weeks. I've had night time erections almost every night the last week or so. I can't remember the last time that was happening. I've had a few spontaneous erections through some of the days. Again, that hasn't happened for a long time. The last time (early on in my TRT) I was on 100mg/week, it put my levels around 600ng/dl Total and 20ng/dl Free T. I had also started taking pregnenolone just to give it a try, so unfortunately, I'm mixing some variables. On top of that, some of my motivation has returned, my mood is better (I didn't even realize is wasn't great). Maybe my body just belongs at this low level.

Read through this thread. I've been doing 30 mg 3X weekly for a couple of months. For me, it seems to have dampened my libido and daily night time erection. Previously, before stopping T because I was frustrated(years of frustration), I was doing 100 mg IM E5D for several months and felt 'better'. Morning wood, though, has been non-existent and nocturnal erections, rare.

 

[aneuman]

Read through this thread. I've been doing 30 mg 3X weekly for a couple of months. For me, it seems to have dampened my libido and daily night time erection. Previously, before stopping T because I was frustrated(years of frustration), I was doing 100 mg IM E5D for several months and felt 'better'. Morning wood, though, has been non-existent and nocturnal erections, rare.

I second this experience. I was doing 30x3 for 3 months and had no positive experiences other than increased anxiety. I switched to 2x50 and I have noticed at least some improvement in almost every area.

Same experience with morning wood and nighttime erections.

 

[tropicaldaze1950]

I second this experience. I was doing 30x3 for 3 months and had no positive experiences other than increased anxiety. I switched to 2x50 and I have noticed at least some improvement in almost every area.

Same experience with morning wood and nighttime erections.

For some of us, that's the oddity of dosing/frequency. It can seem(or perhaps, in fact) to be a moving target. You think you've found a protocol that works, then it either becomes less effective or stops working altogether and you're back to square one. As @bixt has posted, maybe, again for some, continually changing dosing/frequency is a way to reset neurotransmitters and the neuroendocrine system; that a stable, steady T level doesn't always produce positive results. @Systemlord is on Jatenzo after many injection protocols and is finally seeing significant improvements. We all keep trying. That's good.

 

[Gman86]

So just to circle back and keep my thread updated...

Erection quality has been excellent. I'm at 100mg/week down from 140mg/week and injecting 3x MWF.

Erection quality returned almost immediately after dropping my dose.

Now, I've added nandrolone and primo. Running both at 100mg/week along with my 100mg testosterone cypionate. Again, erection quality is great most days.

So how long were u on just 100mg/ week of test, before adding the nandrolone and primo?

and how long have u been on 100 test, 100 nandrolone, 100 primo?

how often are u injecting each compound?

 

[camygod]

So how long were u on just 100mg/ week of test, before adding the nandrolone and primo?

and how long have u been on 100 test, 100 nandrolone, 100 primo?

how often are u injecting each compound?

Ya I’d love to know as well! And I wish I knew why my penis and testicles hung better on the nandrolone based protocol. I mean, I can speculate, but that’s all it would be, is speculation. My first thoughts are that the nandrolone base allows u to have a high androgen to estrogen/ prolactin and that could be a big contributing factor. But then I think, couldn’t someone just get the same effect with an ai? And we do sometimes see guys using an ai report improved erections. But if they do, it seems like it’s difficult for them to consistently get that benefit. I remember having amazing erections basically the entire time time I was on the nandrolone base. I think when I went a little too high with the test, at 100mg/ week, with 200mg of deca/ week, I remember my erections not being as good, but still very good by most guy’s standards

I also wonder if the fact that when on a nandrolone base, u’ll have a lot of DHN in ur system, which is much weaker than DHT, but will compete at the receptor with DHT. So in layman’s terms, using nandrolone base will decrease the effects of DHT. Some guys report DHT being a little stimulating, and Im not sure, but maybe DHT is in fact stimulating to the CNS. So if dht’s effects are decreased on a nandrolone base, I wonder if that played a role in my package all hanging a bit better on it. And u would think that having less DHT in ur system would decrease libido/ erections, but I had both amazing libido and diamond like/ on demand erections on the nandrolone base, so idk what to make of that, as far as nandrolone decreasing dht’s effects go

Also, nandrolone is a progestin. Not sure if that has any positive effects on erections somehow.

Maybe lots of guys report feeling calm, cool and collected due to getting to have a high androgen to estrogen ratio, without concurrently having a high level of DHT. I know that has nothing to do with erections, but just a thought after thinking about how DHT is effected on a nandrolone based protocol

Also, I’m on primo, which lowers E2 pretty significantly, without lowering total androgens, thus increasing my androgen to estrogen ratio, but my package doesn’t hang as good as it did on the nandrolone base, and even tho erections have been really good, they’re still not as good as when I was on the nandrolone base. But not too far honestly. So idk if a nandrolone based protocol‘s benefits can simply be recreated by taking an ai or taking a DHT derivative that lowers E2, while keeping total androgens where they’re at, or actually increasing them, like in the case of taking something like primo

Can I ask why did you stop the nadrolone protocol and what where your health markers.like ?

 

[Gman86]

Can I ask why did you stop the nadrolone protocol and what where your health markers.like ?

Ya sure. I stopped because at the time I kept hearing that nandrolone suppresses fertility more than test, and fertility was still very important to me at the time. I figured that I would have an easier time staying fertile on a test based protocol. My gf is currently pregnant, and I was using test, deca and primo at the time. Deca dose was 100mg/ week. Compared to the 200mg/ week of deca I was using when I was on a deca based protocol. I currently don’t think deca suppresses much more than test, if any. But I’m not 100% sure about that. I’m not sure if nandrolone being a progestin would impair fertility more so than test.

My health markers all looked great. No better or worse than using a test based protocol, at least for me. Vitals were all very good during that time as well

 

[camygod]

Ya sure. I stopped because at the time I kept hearing that nandrolone suppresses fertility more than test, and fertility was still very important to me at the time. I figured that I would have an easier time staying fertile on a test based protocol. My gf is currently pregnant, and I was using test, deca and primo at the time. Deca dose was 100mg/ week. Compared to the 200mg/ week of deca I was using when I was on a deca based protocol. I currently don’t think deca suppresses much more than test, if any. But I’m not 100% sure about that. I’m not sure if nandrolone being a progestin would impair fertility more so than test.

My health markers all looked great. No better or worse than using a test based protocol, at least for me. Vitals were all very good during that time as well

Thanks for the reply.
My concern was the supposed neurotoxicity of nandrolone
But I'm open minded and that could be untrue

 

[Gman86]

Thanks for the reply.
My concern was the supposed neurotoxicity of nandrolone
But I'm open minded and that could be untrue

Ya it’s hard to know what to believe when it comes to nandrolone. Testosterone is neurotoxic if u don’t concurrently have enough estrogen in ur system. The fact that testosterone is a moderate to high aromatizing AAS is what prevents it from being neurotoxic. And nandrolone converts extremely little into E2. So until I see a study using nandrolone, while concurrently making sure the person has adequate levels of estrogen, and then showing that it’s neurotoxic, idk if I believe that nandrolone is just always neurotoxic, if at all.

People also say that nandrolone can cause left ventricular hypertrophy. But if u look it up, the #1 cause of LVH is high BP. So idk if I believe there’s even a risk of LVH, with nandrolone use, as long as ur always making sure ur BP is within a healthy range

and I think a lot of the info out there about deca suppressing fertility more so than test has to do with deca having a longer half llfe. Not sure how much nandrolone being a progestin will effect fertility, if at all, compared to test.

Bottomline is idk if I trust the majority of things that have been spread and repeated about nandrolone over the years. So until I see clear evidence that shows the risks are higher than the rewards, as far as having it be a part of my protocol, I’m gonna continue implementing it