Testosterone propionate supposedly the best ester?

[camygod]

Another Cortex video on prop offering more red meat for prop fans. I do wonder about his preference for EOD over ED dosing at higher doses. If anyone is looking for justification to run "absurdly high" doses though, this is your man right here:

I don't understand his use of steroid plotter
It seems really inaccurate since they changed
Daily prop seems to have no peak or trough when selected as daily dosing I find that strange as many people tested seem to have peaks and troughs even on a daily dosing schedule of prop

 

[Jerajera]

Another Cortex video on prop offering more red meat for prop fans. I do wonder about his preference for EOD over ED dosing at higher doses. If anyone is looking for justification to run "absurdly high" doses though, this is your man right here:

It seems I'm afraid he's going down lately the road many (Bossa, etc...) have gone before.

I think what happens is that guys try higher dosage protocols and end up with extremely high Test and Estrogen levels. The combination makes them emotionally unstable and aggressive (if you look at his older videos he's much less aggressive), and they start advocating for "TRT" protocols of 350mg/week based on all sorts of absurd justifications, and actually typically no justification at all, just "if you think 350mg/week is a cycle, you're a fucking idiot".

Interestingly, this always happens when those guys stop controlling Estradiol. Suddenly they become much more emotionally unstable and start lashing out, intellectual honesty plummets, etc...

For some reason no one is advocating taking 3x the normal dose of baby aspirin, but I have a suspicion that if baby aspirin had the side effect of building massive amounts of muscle, a lot more guys would find plenty of reasons to justify taking way more of it than is healthy long term.

 

[camygod]

It seems I'm afraid he's going down lately the road many (Bossa, etc...) have gone before.

I think what happens is that guys try higher dosage protocols and end up with extremely high Test and Estrogen levels. The combination makes them emotionally unstable and aggressive (if you look at his older videos he's much less aggressive), and they start advocating for "TRT" protocols of 350mg/week based on all sorts of absurd justifications, and actually typically no justification at all, just "if you think 350mg/week is a cycle, you're a fucking idiot".

Interestingly, this always happens when those guys stop controlling Estradiol. Suddenly they become much more emotionally unstable and start lashing out, intellectual honesty plummets, etc...

For some reason no one is advocating taking 3x the normal dose of baby aspirin, but I have a suspicion that if baby aspirin had the side effect of building massive amounts of muscle, a lot more guys would find plenty of reasons to justify taking way more of it than is healthy long term.

You can see them become way more stubborn and stuck in their ways

I don't care at end of day he can do want he wants
But if your not Interested in bodybuilding I really don't see the point of running 700mg a week
He won't be able to do that forever and once he has opened those doors might be hard to go back.

I have seen many bodybuilder running high doses like that and the sexual benefits don't carry on forever in fat many say they have better libido and erections on lower dose.

The fact he keeps parroting you might need higher and higher doses for "trt" surely means there's something else off if you cannot feel it over 200mg a week ???
All these guys in the trt space seem to have this similar cheesy alpha bro mindset that high test is the be all and And all

 

[aloetard]

It seems I'm afraid he's going down lately the road many (Bossa, etc...) have gone before.

I think what happens is that guys try higher dosage protocols and end up with extremely high Test and Estrogen levels. The combination makes them emotionally unstable and aggressive (if you look at his older videos he's much less aggressive), and they start advocating for "TRT" protocols of 350mg/week based on all sorts of absurd justifications, and actually typically no justification at all, just "if you think 350mg/week is a cycle, you're a fucking idiot".

Interestingly, this always happens when those guys stop controlling Estradiol. Suddenly they become much more emotionally unstable and start lashing out, intellectual honesty plummets, etc...

For some reason no one is advocating taking 3x the normal dose of baby aspirin, but I have a suspicion that if baby aspirin had the side effect of building massive amounts of muscle, a lot more guys would find plenty of reasons to justify taking way more of it than is healthy long term.

If long term aspirin use built more muscle under a reasonable training/eating/AAS regimen I would be 380 lb at 10%BF right now. I can report after 4 solid years of use (dose varying from 80 to 325 mg / day) I don't have much to show for it except maybe my platelets are lower. I continue to use it on TRT+++.

 

[Seagal]

If long term aspirin use built more muscle under a reasonable training/eating/AAS regimen I would be 380 lb at 10%BF right now. I can report after 4 solid years of use (dose varying from 80 to 325 mg / day) I don't have much to show for it except maybe my platelets are lower. I continue to use it on TRT+++.

You are not doing it correctly. You have to eat them together with a few donuts or muffins.

 

[Seagal]

The fact he keeps parroting you might need higher and higher doses for "trt" surely means there's something else off if you cannot feel it over 200mg a week ???
All these guys in the trt space seem to have this similar cheesy alpha bro mindset that high test is the be all and And all

He is an optimization guy. See his cortex neuro background. Nothing wrong with that. To be fair, he mostly says to go higher in order to resolve symptoms. Or switch to propionate if cyp etc don't yield the effects one is looking for.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

If long term aspirin use built more muscle under a reasonable training/eating/AAS regimen I would be 380 lb at 10%BF right now. I can report after 4 solid years of use (dose varying from 80 to 325 mg / day) I don't have much to show for it except maybe my platelets are lower.

My fragile stomach started aching just reading about this. And you take all that nattokinase on top of it too. You must have an iron gut.

 

[aloetard]

You are not doing it correctly. You have to eat them together with a few donuts or muffins.

That is actually a really good point. I don't eat enough carbs for maximal muscle growth. My very poor insulin sensitivity largely dooms me to trying to gain muscle on an absurd 60/40 (by kcal) blend of protein and fat. I start eating carbs and my waist becomes a fat storage dumpster fire. Very noticeable.

 

[aloetard]

My fragile stomach started aching just reading about this. And you take all that nattokinase on top of it too. You must have an iron gut.

Colonoscopy was clear which surprised me and just a little gastritis noted on CT scan a couple years ago. Hey, when you go to bathroom 8 to 15 times a day you have to get tough LOL.

 

[camygod]

He is an optimization guy. See his cortex neuro background. Nothing wrong with that. To be fair, he mostly says to go higher in order to resolve symptoms. Or switch to propionate if cyp etc don't yield the effects one is looking for.

Man's a insufferable twat like most optimisation cringe lords.
He was talking down on a man for being a electrician wow so we can't all be "entrepreneur" seeling shitty supplements
All these guys that jerk off over guys like the Tate brothers and trump and are over 20 make me suspicious
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nyway half of these symptoms are mostly in our minds or people living shitty life style you can't expect to feel like a teenager again it's just unrealistic
If you need test in triple the numbers of what you could ever produce in a natural environment something must be off in more ways than others

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

That is actually a really good point. I don't eat enough carbs for maximal muscle growth. My very poor insulin sensitivity largely dooms me to trying to gain muscle on an absurd 60/40 (by kcal) blend of protein and fat. I start eating carbs and my waist becomes a fat storage dumpster fire. Very noticeable.

That suggests some sort of issue with excess cortisol. You may also want to look into timing your carbs around activity to maximize NIMGU (Non-insulin mediated glucose uptake.)

 

[aloetard]

That suggests some sort of issue with excess cortisol. You may also want to look into timing your carbs around activity to maximize NIMGU (Non-insulin mediated glucose uptake.)

Absolutely. I am very high strung if you haven't seen on here. Even trying carbs just before or after workout still same problem in any meaningful quantity for extended period of time. May look to GH use soon. May look to glucose disposal agents as well in addition to chromium picolinate and alpha lipoic acid I take regularly.

Thank you for the comments.

 

[Seagal]

Man's a insufferable twat like most optimisation cringe lords.
He was talking down on a man for being a electrician wow so we can't all be "entrepreneur" seeling shitty supplements
All these guys that jerk off over guys like the Tate brothers and trump and are over 20 make me suspicious
A
nyway half of these symptoms are mostly in our minds or people living shitty life style you can't expect to feel like a teenager again it's just unrealistic
If you need test in triple the numbers of what you could ever produce in a natural environment something must be off in more ways than others

Personality traits are....he needs to promote himself and I think he adjusts to feedback, statics.

The problem with the something be off is that many people feel that way, running from one MD to another....yet no symptom resolution or holistic healing. So, if that very few guys can get their symptoms resolved by tripling androgens...and other health parameters stay within limits. IMHO, that's better than remaining lost in 'suffering'.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

The problem with the something be off is that many people feel that way, running from one MD to another....yet no symptom resolution or holistic healing. So, if that very few guys can get their symptoms resolved by tripling androgens...and other health parameters stay within limits. IMHO, that's better than remaining lost in 'suffering'.

100% this. I really don't care what seems reasonable, logical, sensible, what should work or what should be necessary. I care about what actually works and won't drastically reduce my lifespan. Personalities aren't very important here either. I want information, not a role model or someone that shares my political views. The guy isn't perfect, but he seems more committed to creatively solving my types of problems than anyone else I've seen on social media, which I really appreciate.

 

[camygod]

Personality traits are....he needs to promote himself and I think he adjusts to feedback, statics.

The problem with the something be off is that many people feel that way, running from one MD to another....yet no symptom resolution or holistic healing. So, if that very few guys can get their symptoms resolved by tripling androgens...and other health parameters stay within limits. IMHO, that's better than remaining lost in 'suffering'.

Fair play I'm not the one helping others so don't really have the right to say much still have my opinions
And I do appreciate his constant experiments on himself
I won't stop watching his channel at this moment

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Like for example, in my opinion, this is a very accurate statement on E2 management which agrees with my experience and what I've witnessed in others:

 

[camygod]

Like for example, in my opinion, this is a very accurate statement on E2 management which agrees with my experience and what I've witnessed in others:

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That's a good concise reply
He got argumentive with me in youtube because I was questioning the daily values of steroid plotter for test prop but honestly wasn't trying to be a dick or rude
I don't have any bad will towards him for that I'm very dyslexic so maybe came across as challenging his knowledge but wasn't the intention
I do appreciate his info thinking outside the box

 

[FunkOdyssey]

He got argumentive with me in youtube because I was questioning the daily values of steroid plotter for test prop but honestly wasn't trying to be a dick or rude
I don't have any bad will towards him for that I'm very dyslexic so maybe came across as challenging his knowledge but wasn't the intention

He did the same thing to me in the youtube comments. So yeah, I don't like him personally either, nor would I want to grab a drink with him (of course he's a weirdo that doesn't drink), but that's fine. The content is still good.

 

[aloetard]

He got argumentive with me in youtube because I was questioning the daily values of steroid plotter for test prop

You could spend a lifetime trying to educate the internet on fun with PK profiles. I have lost interest. "Well done" and "I am sorry" at the same time.

 

[camygod]

You could spend a lifetime trying to educate the internet on fun with PK profiles. I have lost interest. "Well done" and "I am sorry" at the same time.

Im slow what's a pk profile ?