Testosterone Cream + Injections

[Tman]

I’m going to start experimenting with this to see if it may work. Being on both of these separately I had slight glimpses here and there of feeling good, never nothing worth staying with that specific protocol.

Now I’m considering trying to use injections to help offset some of the downsides of cream and vice versa.

The main downside of cream only, being that I have to wake up with low test and force myself awake to get the cream on or zero energy. or I would have to be doing cream at night, morning etc.. which I don’t want this to consume my life scheduling wise.

The benefits I’m trying replicate is the mood and libido boost I get with cream. Also, potentially the effect of DHT combating the high e2 side effects. (I’m still researching this last part, idk to much about how that works)

So I was going to try to keep my levels at something midway with test injection. Maybe like 500-600 range. This way I have some test upon waking up. Then I could somewhat replicate the body’s natural cycle of higher test in the morning with applying 1 click of test cream each morning.

If anyone’s interested in this then I might keep a log of it on here.

Day 1​

So today was my first day with adding the cream back into the protocol.

Applied the 1 click to scrotum and felt that mood/energy boost. Then I crashed about 4 hours after applying it.

This crash was one of the main reasons I got off cream is because it’s not a crash where you go from feeling great to to regular self. It’s a fucking wall, like going from 100 to zero in the span of 5 minutes.

I use to think that the crash might of been because my body was using the testosterone then I was depleted around the time the crash happened. Today threw that theory out. I’m still on my regular injection protocol and experienced it.
So it’s most likely e2 related.

The tricky part now is I still experienced that crash even when I was on 1 click to the scrotum.

Now to decide if I should lower my inj dosage some, then try to get blood work in a few weeks or go ahead and get it done to help eliminate the guessing.

Thinking with my wallet here so that’s why there is more theory crafting going on than getting bloodwork every time I change something up on my protocol.

Day 2​

2nd day applied the cream this morning and didn’t have that same boost. Felt an all to familiar crappy feeling that reminded me of when I started the cream. This made me look back through my notes that I kept when I was on the cream. I had swapped to applying the cream before bed, sleeping through the crappy feeling and felt much better during the day then I would crash about 2pm.

So I applied 1 click this night before bed.

Day 3​

Woke up with high e2 without a doubt which I expected since I had done 2 clicks the day before. Started feeling pretty good about 10AM and so far so good. Best mood I’ve had in awhile.

This is the same feeling I had when I was on the cream alone doing 1 click before bed. This wasn’t working bc I would crash about 2pm bc I’m thinking low T.

Hoping that’s not the case here since I’m injections as well. We’ll find out in a few hours as I’m writing this at work while at lunch.

Mood/energy started to come down around 3-4pm.

Starting to think if I wouldn’t be better off with 100mg cream versus the 200mg I currently have. This way maybe me applying it I wouldn’t have the roller coaster.

Going to draw labs next week.

I’m only doing daily updates right now because there’s a lot to report. Eventually I’ll consolidate these updates into weekly updates or just when I change something up.

Consider cutting the dose...I am on injections plus cream because my sex drive and DHT were low on injections alone, and I had that same crash when applying the cream to my scrotum. Doc started me at 25mg/2 clicks per day of cream to the scrotum. I cut that to one per day...same result. I started applying it to the inside of my thigh and I don't have that crash feeling in the afternoon. Just me. The doc wants me to think about switching to just cream, but I started there with my general doc and the pm crashes remained at any dose of Fortesta over 40mg. I am leary of going back to the huge shifts in one day. By chance, are you a low shbg guy?

 

[WhatSayYou89]

Consider cutting the dose...I am on injections plus cream because my sex drive and DHT were low on injections alone, and I had that same crash when applying the cream to my scrotum. Doc started me at 25mg/2 clicks per day of cream to the scrotum. I cut that to one per day...same result. I started applying it to the inside of my thigh and I don't have that crash feeling in the afternoon. Just me. The doc wants me to think about switching to just cream, but I started there with my general doc and the pm crashes remained at any dose of Fortesta over 40mg. I am leary of going back to the huge shifts in one day. By chance, are you a low shbg guy?

My SHBG is mid range.

So far I’ve been feeling pretty the same with test/cream as injections. Still some days where I have a boost of energy, most it’s still a drag all day.

I went and got bloodwork done yesterday. Hopefully the corona virus doesn’t cause to long of a delay in getting results back.

Does the inner thigh still give a good DHT boost and does it absorb just as well as the scrotum?

When doing cream on the shoulders it always seemed to be hit or miss on the absorption rate.

 

[Abuser200]

My SHBG is mid range.

So far I’ve been feeling pretty the same with test/cream as injections. Still some days where I have a boost of energy, most it’s still a drag all day.

I went and got bloodwork done yesterday. Hopefully the corona virus doesn’t cause to long of a delay in getting results back.

Does the inner thigh still give a good DHT boost and does it absorb just as well as the scrotum?

When doing cream on the shoulders it always seemed to be hit or miss on the absorption rate.

Best dht conversion is through the scrotum. Also best absorbation!
personally i wouldn’t want to rub it anywhere else then the scotum! Thats the only place that’s guaranteed to have maximum absorbation

 

[Abuser200]

@WhatSayYou89 what is you’re protocol at the moment?

 

[WhatSayYou89]

@WhatSayYou89 what is you’re protocol at the moment?

25mg of test cyp three times a week. I do Monday morning/ then Wednesday and Friday night.

Then half a click of test cream (200mg cream) to scrotum every morning.

This is the first time I’ve done bloodwork while being on both cream and injections so I’m eager to see where I’m at.

I’m at that point where I’m having the side effects that could either be low test or high e2.

Libido is still non-existent but I’ve given up on that. Just trying to get a better mood/energy and I’ll be content.

 

[Abuser200]

25mg of test cyp three times a week. I do Monday morning/ then Wednesday and Friday night.

Then half a click of test cream (200mg cream) to scrotum every morning.

This is the first time I’ve done bloodwork while being on both cream and injections so I’m eager to see where I’m at.

I’m at that point where I’m having the side effects that could either be low test or high e2.

Libido is still non-existent but I’ve given up on that. Just trying to get a better mood/energy and I’ll be content.

Keep us posted on your bloodwork!

 

[WhatSayYou89]

Keep us posted on your bloodwork!

Got my results back. (Attached a pic) I will say I was surprised. While I was waiting on the results I decided to bump up my injection dosage to see how I feel. I’ve noticed I’m feeling much better on the day I inject and the day after.

These results were taken right before my next injection so usually when I feel at my worse.

So now I’m a bit at a cross road.

Im still not where I want to be but my numbers look good except for my e2.

I’m going to drop back down to my same dosages I was at when I did this lab work and add a daily cialis into the mix.

I’ve done the daily cialis previously but I felt as if it crashed my e2 (these were on different dosages).

I’m going to give that a try starting tomorrow.

I just feel at a loss because I do feel better at the increased dose on injections, even if I’ve only done 2 of those injections so far.

But if imagine the e2 would build up even further after a few more at this increased rate to where I would no longer feel decent.

 

[Abuser200]

Got my results back. (Attached a pic) I will say I was surprised. While I was waiting on the results I decided to bump up my injection dosage to see how I feel. I’ve noticed I’m feeling much better on the day I inject and the day after.

These results were taken right before my next injection so usually when I feel at my worse.

So now I’m a bit at a cross road.

Im still not where I want to be but my numbers look good except for my e2.

I’m going to drop back down to my same dosages I was at when I did this lab work and add a daily cialis into the mix.

I’ve done the daily cialis previously but I felt as if it crashed my e2 (these were on different dosages).

I’m going to give that a try starting tomorrow.

I just feel at a loss because I do feel better at the increased dose on injections, even if I’ve only done 2 of those injections so far.

But if imagine the e2 would build up even further after a few more at this increased rate to where I would no longer feel decent.
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If you’re not feeling optimized those numbers dont mean anything!
IMO you have room to increase the dose. I wouldn’t lower it because you will feel worse..
E2 looks a bit on the lower end.. i would up your injections dose. Thats going to give you a bit more e2. Or maybe up both..

 

[Abuser200]

Oh shit i just read you done only 2 injection.. dont up just yet.. the injections are still building up in your system. And that e2 is NOT high.

 

[WhatSayYou89]

If you’re not feeling optimized those numbers dont mean anything!
IMO you have room to increase the dose. I wouldn’t lower it because you will feel worse..
E2 looks a bit on the lower end.. i would up your injections dose. Thats going to give you a bit more e2. Or maybe up both..

This is sensitive e2 so the range for that is 8-35 so this is up on the higher end. At least for what my e2 has ran.

I think your right I’m probably going to stay at the current increased dose for abit and add the cialis to see if it drops my e2 down enough.

 

[Gman86]

This is sensitive e2 so the range for that is 8-35 so this is up on the higher end. At least for what my e2 has ran.

I think your right I’m probably going to stay at the current increased dose for abit and add the cialis to see if it drops my e2 down enough.

What’s ur SHBG level? After years on HRT I found out I feel considerably better with free T at least in the 40’s. Might feel better with it higher, but haven’t tried getting it any higher. But if this is ur trough, then u might be in the 40’s at ur peak, so not sure if upping ur dose would be the answer. I agree tho, ur E2 is around where mine was before I even started HRT. U may feel better with it higher. But again, this is ur trough E2, and I’m sure it’s higher at ur peak, so not sure if upping ur E2 is the answer either lol. Sorry, I’m clearly not that much help haha

 

[WhatSayYou89]

What’s ur SHBG level? After years on HRT I found out I feel considerably better with free T at least in the 40’s. Might feel better with it higher, but haven’t tried getting it any higher. But if this is ur trough, then u might be in the 40’s at ur peak, so not sure if upping ur dose would be the answer. I agree tho, ur E2 is around where mine was before I even started HRT. U may feel better with it higher. But again, this is ur trough E2, and I’m sure it’s higher at ur peak, so not sure if upping ur E2 is the answer either lol. Sorry, I’m clearly not that much help haha

SHBG was 22.7 last time I got it checked about 6 months ago, so right in mid range.

Ha, no worries I appreciate any feedback regardless as most of this is not so cut and dry.

It’s more of the cause and effect principle, unfortunately the effect could leave us feeling shitty for many a weeks before we can figure out why.

I do want the daily cialis to work because of more reasons than just the blood flow. So by knowing my e2 is elevated it gives me that chance to start it back again, which I did last night.

Now we wait..

 

[SSHSSA74]

1. I use Cypionate, Enanthate, or Sustanon 250
2. (200MG/G) 4 clicks = 1 Gram. I do 1 click in the am and 1 click in the pm. So what does that come out to? 50mg AM and 50mg PM?
3. Yes apply to either scrotum or inner arms where skin is thin
4. NO, i feel great all the time.

Do you use HCG?

 

[sokaiya]

Do you use HCG?

I do not use HCG.

 

[wondering]

Hmmm this is very interesting!
Im experiencing the exact same thing.
Cream only gives me low e2 symptoms, no matter what dose. And a while back i did a little experiment and went to injections only, 50mg daily test E.
I felt much better on this protocol! But still suffered from low sexdrive. So i decides to go back on cream only after 5ish weeks.
So i injected 50mg that last morning and the day after started cream again(doing 50mg am and pm scrotum). And BOOOOOOOM after couple of days i started waking up with steel erections. Had a GREAT libido and i felt the best i ever have! For the first time i felt optimized. After 2-3 weeks this feeling faded and felt low e2like again. So i guess when the test E cleared my body things went back to mehhh. Im also planning to start a combo protocol maybe next week. Thinking of doing 25mg daily IM. And 50mg cream am and pm.

You'e making assumptions on it being low E2 when you don't even KNOW if you have low E2.

 

[ghce]

I too have some concerns here regarding your self estimation of E2 being the culprit regards to have good well being feelings WRT T cream and DHT. There are studies out there that show that increased DHT does not contribute to increased E2.
TRT is a truly complex beast and I will keep checked in on this thread as what you are doing coincides with my own problems with low T.

 

[Abuser200]

@WhatSayYou89
Any updates here?

 

[Fortunate]

Old thread. Anyone out there still doing injections + cream? If so, please share your experience.

I did Natesto + cream (very unconventional) for a while. Felt good. Tinkered a bunch with other protocols and when I tried to go back to this combo, I did not get the same results.

 

[M.J]

Old thread. Anyone out there still doing injections + cream? If so, please share your experience.

I did Natesto + cream (very unconventional) for a while. Felt good. Tinkered a bunch with other protocols and when I tried to go back to this combo, I did not get the same results.

I guess same as everything else, always first time is good “maybe not always” then goes away I wish if someone can find this trigger that happens when people change protocol and use it somehow

 

[MDavidW76]

I did it last Christmas while on vacation, only because of convenience/inconvenience. My sister-in-law put us up in her hotel for two weeks, so we had access to the pool/sauna area and the indoor water park was open. Injections made it so I didn’t have to worry about the cream washing away. Actually felt pretty darn good on that mini protocol for two weeks.