Terrible anxiety and constantly at a heightened state on 100mg a week

[whiting1986]

Anybody tried LTheanine with Trt for anxiety issues ?

My story is a bit of a long one but here it goes.

So last year I was on 0.5ml sus 250 instantly dialled in felt amazing in every department.

I come off it for fertilty reasons as the hcg caused lots of side effects.

3 months cold turkey and the depression and low mood was so unbearable I decided I had to do something about it.

I jumped backmon sus250 same dose as always and my anxiety was through the roof.

I switched doctors and went with test cyp and the dose was 0.29ml 3 x a week. That's 250mg/ml.

Still anxiety. So I lowered it to 0.22ml which improves slightly but the anxiety is still there and I just can't understand why it's there.

It's really confusing ad the 2nd time coming back on trt it's the worst experience ever. I've had bloods done and the levels where similar to where I was last time which never caused me. Any problems.

My question is has anybody went off trt for a few months ans come back on and been in the same situation.

It's like I'm constantly caffinated and in flight or flight mode like a heightened state if that makes sense.

Any feed back would be great as its really frustrating me now. It's effecting me life and career and wondering if its all worth it.

Been back on about 6/7bweeks

Thanks guys

 

[Systemlord]

I created a thread on TRT induce anxiety and how to treat it.

TRT induced anxiety and panic attacks can be caused by Monoamine Oxidase A gene.

MAOA gene Monoamine Oxidase A The MAOA gene provides instructions for making an enzyme called monoamine oxidase A. This enzyme is part of a family of enzymes that break down molecules called monoamines through a chemical reaction known as oxidation. Among the monoamines broken down by monoamine...

www.excelmale.com

 

[t_spacemonkey]

I personally delt with crippling anxiety and tried to put 1+1 together and draw a relation to TRT. my conclusion is that none of my anxiety was TRT related. we tend to look for physical causes and explain it that way, but in my case it was purely emotional. I too toyed with lowering doses, stopping HCG etc.
now i'm back on 200mg+0.7cc/week of HCG and feel amazing.
I would recommend adding pregnolone/50-100mg daily to your regimen (if its truly T related might help)
when I still get anxious, my currect go to is a) mexidol (brand name emoxypine) b) kava
as needed. mexidol is extremly good and non-addictive. i would skip the generic as its trash

 

[whiting1986]

I created a thread on TRT induce anxiety and how to treat it. Sustanon might be the problem, the multiple esters can cause anxiety for some men.

TRT induced anxiety and panic attacks can be caused by Monoamine Oxidase A gene.

MAOA gene Monoamine Oxidase A The MAOA gene provides instructions for making an enzyme called monoamine oxidase A. This enzyme is part of a family of enzymes that break down molecules called monoamines through a chemical reaction known as oxidation. Among the monoamines broken down by monoamine...

www.excelmale.com

So would you say get Pregnenolone levels checked from a doctor ?

 

[whiting1986]

I personally delt with crippling anxiety and tried to put 1+1 together and draw a relation to TRT. my conclusion is that none of my anxiety was TRT related. we tend to look for physical causes and explain it that way, but in my case it was purely emotional. I too toyed with lowering doses, stopping HCG etc.
now i'm back on 200mg+0.7cc/week of HCG and feel amazing.
I would recommend adding pregnolone/50-100mg daily to your regimen (if its truly T related might help)
when I still get anxious, my currect go to is a) mexidol (brand name emoxypine) b) kava
as needed. mexidol is extremly good and non-addictive. i would skip the generic as its trash

Thanks for this. I was on sus250 for over a year feeling amazing. Its only since I was off for 3.month and come back on that all the problems have started. It's really annoying as I. Can't figure out what's going on. I have spent thousands on tests and advice to no result. I'll keep digging away hoping to find a solution, thanks for the advice my friend

 

[Systemlord]

So would you say get Pregnenolone levels checked from a doctor ?

Yes, and magnesium RBC. The LH suppression can decrease pregneolone. TRT can decrease many different vitamins and minerals as well.

 

[whiting1986]

Yes, and magnesium RBC.

Thanks foe this my friend, it means a lot. I'm already on magnesium supplements. For me personally it feels like I am caffinated all day then come 7pm I am exhausted. I will look into Pregnenolone and see what my results are.

 

[Gman86]

Thanks foe this my friend, it means a lot. I'm already on magnesium supplements. For me personally it feels like I am caffinated all day then come 7pm I am exhausted. I will look into Pregnenolone and see what my results are.

So ur back on the same test dose without HCG currently?

 

[whiting1986]

So ur back on the same test dose without HCG currently?

I switched to test cyp as when I went back onto sus250 o. 0.5ml every 5 days I got really bad anxiety.

Then I switched doctors and went on 0.29ml 3 x a week.

Again anxiety then lowered it to 0.22ml and again anxiety.

Then went to daily injections for this week. AS a trial and every day I have had anxiety.

I didn't inject today as I knew what was going. To happen.

But still at a heightened state all day today to.

I wish I could solve the riddle

 

[t_spacemonkey]

another idea is you could try some (UGL) T prop. it has a half life of 18h or so, and dose adjustment will refect on your state really fast.
thats what I am currently doing. daily T prop injections. I've been running 50mg/daily (mini cycle), to find my upper limit. and so far I feel really good. the thing is T prop is that if things go south, within 2-3 days max you will be back to very low

 

[whiting1986]

another idea is you could try some (UGL) T prop. it has a half life of 18h or so, and dose adjustment will refect on your state really fast.
thats what I am currently doing. daily T prop injections. I've been running 50mg/daily (mini cycle), to find my upper limit. and so far I feel really good. the thing is T prop is that if things go south, within 2-3 days max you will be back to very low

I have a consultation with my doctor on Monday so I can speak with him about it. Right now test cyp is not agreeing with me, i think I'm super sensitive to it even at a low dose.

 

[Gman86]

I switched to test cyp as when I went back onto sus250 o. 0.5ml every 5 days I got really bad anxiety.

Then I switched doctors and went on 0.29ml 3 x a week.

Again anxiety then lowered it to 0.22ml and again anxiety.

Then went to daily injections for this week. AS a trial and every day I have had anxiety.

I didn't inject today as I knew what was going. To happen.

But still at a heightened state all day today to.

I wish I could solve the riddle

But no HCG currently correct? just test?

 

[Cynice49]

Same symptoms for 6 years, still trying to find an answer . Have tried many different protocols, 100-200mg preg (gives me headaches, worsens bp), have tried HCG etc etc

 

[Systemlord]

Same symptoms for 6 years, still trying to find an answer . Have tried many different protocols, 100-200mg preg (gives me headaches, worsens bp), have tried HCG etc etc

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[Cynice49]

High triglycerides can cause hardening of the arteries, increasing blood pressure. High triglycerides is a sign of metabolic syndrome.

Triglycerides are between 100-150. Used to be elevated once while I was on propranolol but once I dropped that they decreased. I’m 30 so I hope atherosclerosis isn’t my issue, never had a CAC scan. Also think my bp has more to due with anxiety, spikes first couple read but with breathing exercises it drops.

 

[Pnw0031]

What’s your shbg? I’ve noticed crashed shbg has given me that exact feeling. Currently in the process of repairing it

 

[whiting1986]

What’s your shbg? I’ve noticed crashed shbg has given me that exact feeling. Currently in the process of repairing it

Mine is always in the higher range

 

[whiting1986]

But no HCG currently correct? just test?

Yes correct no hcg

 

[Simbarn]

I switched to test cyp as when I went back onto sus250 o. 0.5ml every 5 days I got really bad anxiety.

Then I switched doctors and went on 0.29ml 3 x a week.

Again anxiety then lowered it to 0.22ml and again anxiety.

Then went to daily injections for this week. AS a trial and every day I have had anxiety.

I didn't inject today as I knew what was going. To happen.

But still at a heightened state all day today to.

I wish I could solve the riddle

My thoughts: Too much testosterone.
I realise you have dropped your dose down to 0.22ml 3 times a week @ 250 mg/ml, however, this is still what I would call high (Why is your thread titled at 100 mg per week?)
55 mg, 3 times a week equals 165 mg a week. If I was to take this much testosterone a week I would also be suffering from anxiety, persistent ED and other sexual dysfunctions.
I see you have just posted some labs, they are not dated, but your T levels are quite above range. I am not surprised you are experiencing or have been experiencing side effects such as anxiety.

Your body may have been able to tolerate these high levels of testosterone initially, when you were in what I call the honeymoon period of TRT. This period of time can last for quite some time for some men. Then, things change and your nervous system and other systems can no longer manage the issues this creates. I feel it disrupts the balance in our autonomic nervous system, creating a form of sympathetic dominance. Some men are much more sensitive to this than others.
I am sure you felt great initially, with heightened levels of dopamine (which excessive T promotes) and receptors in your body still relatively fresh to increased levels of T, but eventually this stops.
We can tolerate a certain medication for a period of time also, and then all of a sudden we do not.

It is a constant theme on this forum of guys using too much T and trying to justify it.
Even doctors recommending excessive dosages. It is a very small proportion of men that actually need these higher levels of T.

I also tolerated high levels of testosterone for a period of time when I was younger, more than a couple of years in fact. Then slowly things started to change, anxiety issues crept in, sexual dysfunctions, chronic ED.
In my opinion, once your body develops this change in function/tolerance due to excessive testosterone stimulation, it can take a long time for these changes to find a more normal balance again, a homeostasis whereby systems can once again function at a healthy level. I think for some this may even mean discontinuing the hormone treatment for a significant period of time. After this, TRT may be able to be reintroduced at a much lower dosage and the systems which it affects will function much better, as your individual genetics dictate.
This is what I did at one point in time. I stopped all hormone therapy for almost 2 years. I am not saying you need to do this, it is just something that I did, not necessarily with this intention in mind. However, the result was that my body had completely readjusted itself back to its own natural balance.

Dropping your dose down from 0.29 x 3 (72.5 mg x 3 =217mg) per week (very high dose for TRT) to 165 mg, (still a high dose) will not solve your issues in my opinion.
I am currently on 30 mg twice a week, plus my rhCG at approximately 300 iu twice a week. This solved many of my issues from when I was using around 120 mg per week.

Testosterone can have a big influence on our nervous system. Having too much of this very potent ligand on a consistent basis, disrupting the delicate balance of many other chemicals in our body is asking for trouble. Remember, our body produces this chemical messenger in a very specific way each day, with two rises and drops. This is not just accidental, it is by design. Saturating your cells with testosterone in a completely different manner, in excessive quantities; odd things are sure to occur and they do!

 

[whiting1986]

My thoughts: Too much testosterone.
I realise you have dropped your dose down to 0.22ml 3 times a week @ 250 mg/ml, however, this is still what I would call high (Why is your thread titled at 100 mg per week?)
55 mg, 3 times a week equals 165 mg a week. If I was to take this much testosterone a week I would also be suffering from anxiety, persistent ED and other sexual dysfunctions.
I see you have just posted some labs, they are not dated, but your T levels are quite above range. I am not surprised you are experiencing or have been experiencing side effects such as anxiety.

Your body may have been able to tolerate these high levels of testosterone initially, when you were in what I call the honeymoon period of TRT. This period of time can last for quite some time for some men. Then, things change and your nervous system and other systems can no longer manage the issues this creates. I feel it disrupts the balance in our autonomic nervous system, creating a form of sympathetic dominance. Some men are much more sensitive to this than others.
I am sure you felt great initially, with heightened levels of dopamine (which excessive T promotes) and receptors in your body still relatively fresh to increased levels of T, but eventually this stops.
We can tolerate a certain medication for a period of time also, and then all of a sudden we do not.

It is a constant theme on this forum of guys using too much T and trying to justify it.
Even doctors recommending excessive dosages. It is a very small proportion of men that actually need these higher levels of T.

I also tolerated high levels of testosterone for a period of time when I was younger, more than a couple of years in fact. Then slowly things started to change, anxiety issues crept in, sexual dysfunctions, chronic ED.
In my opinion, once your body develops this change in function/tolerance due to excessive testosterone stimulation, it can take a long time for these changes to find a more normal balance again, a homeostasis whereby systems can once again function at a healthy level. I think for some this may even mean discontinuing the hormone treatment for a significant period of time. After this, TRT may be able to be reintroduced at a much lower dosage and the systems which it affects will function much better, as your individual genetics dictate.
This is what I did at one point in time. I stopped all hormone therapy for almost 2 years. I am not saying you need to do this, it is just something that I did, not necessarily with this intention in mind. However, the result was that my body had completely readjusted itself back to its own natural balance.

Dropping your dose down from 0.29 x 3 (72.5 mg x 3 =217mg) per week (very high dose for TRT) to 165 mg, (still a high dose) will not solve your issues in my opinion.
I am currently on 30 mg twice a week, plus my rhCG at approximately 300 iu twice a week. This solved many of my issues from when I was using around 120 mg per week.

Testosterone can have a big influence on our nervous system. Having too much of this very potent ligand on a consistent basis, disrupting the delicate balance of many other chemicals in our body is asking for trouble. Remember, our body produces this chemical messenger in a very specific way each day, with two rises and drops. This is not just accidental, it is by design. Saturating your cells with testosterone in a completely different manner, in excessive quantities; odd things are sure to occur and they do!

Thanks for your Input my friend. I dropped down to 0.1ml 12.5 mg a day. Could that still be to much ?

I get what you mean by coming off as I did for 3 months but the depression and anxiety wad to much for me. That was cold turkey aswell.

I think I maybe super sensitive to T hence the reason. For some effects. When I was in sus250 0.5ml every t days that put my T and free T super high
So maybe I only need a little bit.

Still lots of work to do on that department and try igure out what's going on.

And again thanks for your Input