@Nelson Vergel have you considered doing something about that Ferritin? Not relevant in your case, but I've seen a study on hypothyroid women who remained symptomatic until ferritin >100. Secondly, have you ever tested your GH or had a GH stimulation test?Feeling good, nothing beyond the normal. I was shocked about that T value. My erections have not been strong for a long time but I resort to Levitra if I have to. I have not had libido for a few months but now it is waking up really good.
I wonder why T went up so much more. Is there an effect from taking the pregnenolone? The data I have seen in men not on TRT shows no increase in T with pregnenolone.
Hematocrit sitting at 52.5. I am not going to donate blood. My ferritin is still sitting at 33 even after iron supplementation (with Vit C 1000 mg) for a month before the blood draw.
My cognitive function is definitely better on 100 mg per night of pregnenolone for 3 weeks (no hCG). I am more motivated to finish tasks. I had been in a low mood for the previous 3 months even though life was good. I even stopped participating on ExcelMale. I also started trintellix low dose last week (5 mg qd) since my doctor likes it for low grade depression. That has definitely boosted my mood and libido for sure. Debating now if I should bring back hCG 500 IU twice per week to add it to the pregnenolone and hydrogel testosterone cream. I bet that will make me a little too horned up for my own good.
Still waiting for my progesterone LC/MS results. It takes a while like ultrasensitive estradiol does.
Even after 30 years, I am still learning. The upstream hormone story is getting stronger, I think.
New Atrevis Hydrogel Based Testosterone Cream from Empower: Surprising Results!
- Thread starter Nelson Vergel
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Is there a TeleDoctor that will send prescriptions toNow, this is getting interesting Nelson?
Testosterone in Atrevis hydrogel base = almost double test levels!
@txmx Empower had not trained all the pharmacist. But as of today, they all will be notified about the Atrevis hydrogel. I have a a friend who is using it on the scrotum and loving it. I am going to start using it on Monday and let you guys know what happens to my T level and libido. I need to...www.excelmale.com
post #21
Empower had not trained all the pharmacists. But as of today, they all will be notified about the Atrevis hydrogel. I have a friend who is using it on the scrotum and loving it.
I am going to start using it on Monday and let you guys know what happens to my T level and libido. I need to do a baseline Total and Free T and also DHT first. I will stop 50 mg twice per week T injections and hCG as of Thurs.
The script should be faxed to Empower Pharmacy as
Testosterone 200ml/ml cream in Hydrogel base 30ML, Apply 1 ML on scrotum daily. 3 refills
post #28
50 percent on the scrotum and 50 percent on the INNER THIGHS. I feel pretty much the same all day. Libido Is definitely up for the past two weeks since I started. I will see my numbers soon.
post#32 (May 1)
This is after three weeks on the hydrogel testosterone cream. I was off hCG for 8 days before the test. I am decreasing the dose to 3 clicks instead of 4 per day.
TT 1352 ng/dL, FT 380.3 pg/mL
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post#77 (June 26)
My results on 1 cc of 200 mg/mL per day (4 clicks) of the Empower hydrogel testosterone cream applied 50% on the scrotum and 50% on the SHOULDERS.
TT 896 ng/dL, FT 197.4
View attachment 15289
You stayed at the same dose as the previous protocol (4 clicks) in 1st set of labs yet this time around application sites were 50 percent on the scrotum and 50 percent on the inner thighs.
Your TT/FT dropped significantly!
Your most recent labs in this thread:
post #1 (July 2)
After a month of using the new hydrogel cream from Empower Pharmacy at 1 ml per day (4 clicks of 0.25 mg each), my testosterone increased dramatically higher than it was even on 200 mg per week of injectable testosterone cypionate.
TT 2183 ng/dL, FT 571 pg/mL
View attachment 15290
Again you stayed on the same dose as the previous protocol (4 clicks) in 2nd set of labs but no idea if you kept the application sites the same or as @sammmy stated did you apply 4 clicks strictly scrotal?
Your TT/FT levels went through the roof!
Looking over all 3 sets of labs where the dose was kept the same (4 clicks) but application sites were different.....TT/FT levels were all over the place.
Is there a Tele-Health Doctor that will prescribe to Empower PhamacyNow, this is getting interesting Nelson?
Testosterone in Atrevis hydrogel base = almost double test levels!
@txmx Empower had not trained all the pharmacist. But as of today, they all will be notified about the Atrevis hydrogel. I have a a friend who is using it on the scrotum and loving it. I am going to start using it on Monday and let you guys know what happens to my T level and libido. I need to...
post #21
Empower had not trained all the pharmacists. But as of today, they all will be notified about the Atrevis hydrogel. I have a friend who is using it on the scrotum and loving it.
I am going to start using it on Monday and let you guys know what happens to my T level and libido. I need to do a baseline Total and Free T and also DHT first. I will stop 50 mg twice per week T injections and hCG as of Thurs.
The script should be faxed to Empower Pharmacy as
Testosterone 200ml/ml cream in Hydrogel base 30ML, Apply 1 ML on scrotum daily. 3 refills
post #28
50 percent on the scrotum and 50 percent on the INNER THIGHS. I feel pretty much the same all day. Libido Is definitely up for the past two weeks since I started. I will see my numbers soon.
post#32 (May 1)
This is after three weeks on the hydrogel testosterone cream. I was off hCG for 8 days before the test. I am decreasing the dose to 3 clicks instead of 4 per day.
TT 1352 ng/dL, FT 380.3 pg/mL
View attachment 15288
post#77 (June 26)
My results on 1 cc of 200 mg/mL per day (4 clicks) of the Empower hydrogel testosterone cream applied 50% on the scrotum and 50% on the SHOULDERS.
TT 896 ng/dL, FT 197.4
View attachment 15289
You stayed at the same dose as the previous protocol (4 clicks) in 1st set of labs yet this time around application sites were 50 percent on the scrotum and 50 percent on the inner thighs.
Your TT/FT dropped significantly!
Your most recent labs in this thread:
post #1 (July 2)
After a month of using the new hydrogel cream from Empower Pharmacy at 1 ml per day (4 clicks of 0.25 mg each), my testosterone increased dramatically higher than it was even on 200 mg per week of injectable testosterone cypionate.
TT 2183 ng/dL, FT 571 pg/mL
View attachment 15290
Again you stayed on the same dose as the previous protocol (4 clicks) in 2nd set of labs but no idea if you kept the application sites the same or as @sammmy stated did you apply 4 clicks strictly scrotal?
Your TT/FT levels went through the roof!
Looking over all 3 sets of labs where the dose was kept the same (4 clicks) but application sites were different.....TT/FT levels were all over the place.
So about 3 years ago I was donating blood every 3 months for hight HCT. I was at 57 at one point. After 2 years of doing that my Ferritin came back at 0. Yes Zero. Then a repeat test a couple weeks latter read 4. I went to EOD sub-q T, and lowered the dose a lot. I haven't had to donate blood in about 2 years as my HCT stays around 49-50. But my Ferritin is still low at 18. It will not go up and I refuse to take Iron supplements as that will just bring the HCT back up. Its a quandary.
Where is your HCT now?
Defy will.
If you mean a tight scrotum, then yeah, the testosterone creams made mine very tight. Made sitting uncomfortable sometimes, due to the tightness.
I can't find the hydrogel cream on Empowers website. I see the regular cream that they always sold. Is it still available? I want to ask my doctor if I could try it
Nelson Vergel
Founder, ExcelMale.com
Yes, they have it available. Just make sure the prescription is called (or faxed in) as
Testosterone Atrevis Hydrogel Cream, 200 mg/mL, apply 1 mL on skin as indicated once per day after showering.
Start with 0.5 mL per day (2 clicks) on your abs or shoulders (I am not sure if you have a wife or kids to worry about transference, so choose your application site accordingly). Get a testosterone test after 10 days and adjust your dose accordingly.
I used it on my scrotum to increase DHT and potentially libido but, after a week, I started itching too much in that area. Everyone is different!
Jason Sypolt
Administrator
A lot of people don’t know about the hydrogel which is a real shame. I’ve been using it for the last 4-5 months and it’s far superior to the standard T cream for me. It looks and feels the same to me and I have nothing but good things to say about it. 1-2 clicks applied to scrotum every AM and another 1-2 clicks applied every PM.
Just got me some today! But 50mg/ml
A growing number of guys have now used my protocol with success. Some have seen HGB go up a little but everyone has raised ferritin. Have a read and see what you think.
Raising ferritin FAST (a how-to, not a question)
Hi all, I started TRT in 2001 and have been giving blood over the years and have always had issues with recovering my ferritin. Long story short, I got tired of waiting for others to do the research, so I did it myself, created a protocol, hired a hematologist in May 2021 who thought it could...
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Hello Nelson,
I have the regular testosterone cream 50mg and currently doing 1 click AM to the scrotum. I combine it with daily injectable t cyp 200mg (0.08cc's) but there has been no bump in libido. I also inject daily hcg (1,000 ius p/week) I have been on this protocol for 7 weeks.
I will ask my doctor for Atrevis Hydrogel Testosterone 200ml/ml cream in Hydrogel base 30ML, Apply 1 ML on scrotum. If I was on 140 ml of T-cyp and 1000 ius HCG per week and you said to start with 2 clicks (0.5ml) daily. Wouldn't that be too much? That's 100 ml's of testosterone daily. Correct me if I am wrong. Or does the hydrogel work different and that's why 100 ml's daily is not a lot?
Nelson Vergel
Founder, ExcelMale.com
4 clicks is 1 ml.
What’s your total T at ?
What’s your total T at ?
I noticed the itching too
Nelson Vergel
Founder, ExcelMale.com
Lab corp
1052.3 (264-916 ng/dl) Test free equi + T lc ms , 34 (5-21 ng/dl) test free
I switched from injections to Atrevis base, 200mg/ml (50mg per click). At 2 clicks on scrotum (100mg) first thing in the morning my numbers were (9 hours after applying): TT: 1391 (250-1100), FT: 373 (35-155) and DHT: 359 (12-65). As one can see I was over the top and had little libido, poor EQ and poor hang (tightness).
I went to one click (50mg) on scrotum first thing in the morning. 9 hours after application: TT: 888 (250-1100); FT: 211 (35-155), DHT: 287 (12-65). Same symptoms as before. I like the TT and FT levels, but I believe that the super high DHT levels are adversely affecting me (maybe via suppression of prolactin and/or estrogen?).
I have now switched to shoulder and inner arm application (1 click on each shoulder and 1 click on inner arm ((rub arms together), 3 total). I hope to maintain T levels and bring down DHT level. I'll run some labs in a couple of weeks. May have to go back to injections.
I went to one click (50mg) on scrotum first thing in the morning. 9 hours after application: TT: 888 (250-1100); FT: 211 (35-155), DHT: 287 (12-65). Same symptoms as before. I like the TT and FT levels, but I believe that the super high DHT levels are adversely affecting me (maybe via suppression of prolactin and/or estrogen?).
I have now switched to shoulder and inner arm application (1 click on each shoulder and 1 click on inner arm ((rub arms together), 3 total). I hope to maintain T levels and bring down DHT level. I'll run some labs in a couple of weeks. May have to go back to injections.
I’m looking forward to your results. I’m about to pull labs at same concentration one click morning and night on buttocks to lower absorption and maybe contribute to higher e2 conversion.
Interesting to see what 50mg morning and night on buttocks pulls. Assuming you have some fat there, results will be interesting. Although no two individuals are alike, one of the main reasons I like this forum is to see how other's experiences/experiments go. Thanks!
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