Kind of new here would like a little advice

[stickersteve]

I have been monitoring this site watching everyones posts for years but have never posted, but now I need a little advise. I am 64, have felt like crap for years. I have crohns so that is a major part of it. I have tried testosterone off and on but never stuck with it. Once I tried shots, hit a nerve and could barely walk for a couple days so I gave up on that. I just had all my hormone levels checked. Testosterone came back at 241. I know that is low. DHEA also very low. I have started testosterone troches (under the tongue) I am not going to chance shots again and I am very hairy so I hate using cream. The troches I can handle fine. Each troche is 200mg. I am taking 1/4 or 50mg a day. I may up that to 100 if I dont get any results, but I am curious if anyone knows how sublingual equates to shots. It looks like a lot of you take maybe 150mg up to 300 in a shot each week. If I am taking 50 a day that is 350 a week which sounds like a lot more, but maybe the shots work different overall than sublingual and I need more of it to get the same effect? I may or may not add DHEA.

 

[Systemlord]

Once I tried shots, hit a nerve and could barely walk for a couple days so I gave up on that.

My first endocrinologist actually started me out on 18 gauge syringes, more like nails, then I found this forum and got wise real fast. I started using 30 gauge insulin syringes and never looked back.

Now I’m on oral Jatenzo @ 237 mg twice daily.

No one here on troches nor have I ever heard of a success story.

 

[stickersteve]

so I just looked that up. Jatenzo is just a pill right? I am not scared of needles, it just is a little inconvenient so I was looking for an alternative. I get these troches from a compounding pharmacy and they are not overly expensive. Jatenzo looks interesting, if my insurance would cover it

 

[stickersteve]

and after looking up how much jatenzo costs and seeing that there is not a generic, I know my insurance company wont cover it.

 

[Systemlord]

Jatenzo is just a pill right?

Yes, a large gel capsule. My insurance only covered in Jatenzo, once all the other treatment options failed to produce good results. I actually got a medical exception from my doctor that got it covered.

I was quoted $3400 dollars attempting to refill my prescription early.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

You can get this one but it costs 150 dollars per month.

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[tareload]

Once I tried shots, hit a nerve and could barely walk for a couple days so I gave up on that.

You did it wrong and did not have the proper instruction. If cost is issue then properly doing injections is your best best. After reading this site regularly you should do it correctly. Questions?

Or stick to troches. The proper method to use those is buccal not sublingual. It takes a lot of discipline to let the Testosterone absorb through gums and not swallow. There are posts here on serum levels after troche administration.

Post in thread 'High hematocrit prevalence with intranasal vs. intramuscular testosterone' High hematocrit prevalence with intranasal vs. intramuscular testosterone

 

[sammmy]

Subcutaneous injections with skin pinching will not hit a nerve, unlike intramuscular injections.

Alternatively, you can de-hair your upper arms or abdomen and apply Androgel there. It's a quickly evaporating alcohol gel and is not sticky after it dries in 10 mins.

Buccal troches may cause mouth/gum irritation. The absorption is less than injections, so the doses are higher. How much is absorbed, depends on the formulation of the particular compounding pharmacy, and I seriously doubt they actually tested it.

 

[tareload]

unlike intramuscular injections

IM injections don't hit nerves IF you know what you are doing.

With any delivery method you will have to do labwork. Nothing special about compounded troches. Brute force. They don't need to test them. Just make sure they are made properly which takes homework.

 

[Sergel]

I have been doing subcutaneous injections for 5 years with great results... No botched injections ever... Subq is the way to go in my book or at least shallow muscular with 27 to 30 ga needles...

Stick to it, it gets better with time... try to add exercise to your TRT and it works miracles... will give you a new life...