How to increase DHT?

[phalloguy100]

Say what you like, but I want higher DHT! Deeper voice, manly chest hair, higher libido, and fortunately I am not prone to male-pattern baldness.

What testosterone formulations help increase DHT? Is scrotal cream/gel/patch the only way?

What else can help increase DHT?

And perhaps more importantly - how would I know if I'm producing too much DHT and should lower it?

 

[FunkOdyssey]

What testosterone formulations help increase DHT? Is scrotal cream/gel/patch the only way?

Legally, yes. There are also straight DHT topicals out there, which would be my preference if all you're trying to do is tune up an otherwise good protocol that lacks DHT:

DHT Cream Plus Testosterone Propionate = Major Libido Boost

I doubt it is an error. My DHT came back 350+ ng/dL using a smaller amount (.75 ml) of a 20% testosterone cream. And that depended on conversion of test to DHT to occur first. So, with that larger volume of straight DHT, I would believe it. Thanks for clearing that up. Is there any downside to...

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[phalloguy100]

lol - yes, legally.

 

[Guided_by_Voices]

You can try Butea Superba. Some claim that it raises DHT and I have found it to sometimes create the affects described for DHT, however I find it a bit inconsistent.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

Legally, yes. There are also straight DHT topicals out there, which would be my preference if all you're trying to do is tune up an otherwise good protocol that lacks DHT:

DHT Cream Plus Testosterone Propionate = Major Libido Boost

I doubt it is an error. My DHT came back 350+ ng/dL using a smaller amount (.75 ml) of a 20% testosterone cream. And that depended on conversion of test to DHT to occur first. So, with that larger volume of straight DHT, I would believe it. Thanks for clearing that up. Is there any downside to...

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I forgot an important one: oral testosterone raises DHT levels pretty dramatically in a similar fashion to cream.

 

[madman]

Say what you like, but I want higher DHT! Deeper voice, manly chest hair, higher libido, and fortunately I am not prone to male-pattern baldness.

What testosterone formulations help increase DHT? Is scrotal cream/gel/patch the only way?

What else can help increase DHT?

And perhaps more importantly - how would I know if I'm producing too much DHT and should lower it?

Say what you like, but I want higher DHT! Deeper voice, manly chest hair, higher libido, and fortunately I am not prone to male-pattern baldness.


You are out to lunch if you think driving up your DHT is going to result in a deeper voice, not happening post-puberty no matter how high you drive up your FT/DHT levels!

Increased body hair growth is common especially if you are genetically prone but keep in mind that some of the new hair growth will be darker (dark rogue hairs/horse hairs some would say) ,thicker and denser (shoulders/upper back).

Density and distribution of hair is comes down to genetics.

Higher libido is not a given if you already have healthy FT/DHT levels.

Hope you understand that if one is genetically prone to MPB high DHT levels are not needed in order to accelerate such as it comes down to the sensitivity of the AR at the hair follicle to DHT.

Even then there are also other factors at play here.




What testosterone formulations help increase DHT? Is scrotal cream/gel/patch the only way?

Transdermal T (standard application) especially scrotal!

Oral TU.




What else can help increase DHT?

Nothing natty is going to have a significant impact.




And perhaps more importantly - how would I know if I'm producing too much DHT and should lower

As you would know blood work will tell your where serum levels fall in the reference range.

Even then still need to keep in mind what is happening at the tissue level let alone sensitivity of the AR.

Sides such as acne, oily skin let alone MPB comes down to genetics let alone sensitivity of the AR.

Significant decrease in SHBG with the use of Oral TU (JATENZO)

SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN SEX HORMONE-BINDING GLOBULIN WITH USE OF TESTOSTERONE UNDECANOATE CAPSULES (JATENZO) IN MEN WITH HYPOGONADISM (2022) Alyssa Yee*, Maria Uloko, Irwin Goldstein, San Diego, CA INTRODUCTION AND OBJECTIVE: Jatenzo (Clarus Therapeutics) which consists of the highly...

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Changes in calculated free T, SHBG, Estradiol, DHT, LH and FSH after oral TU

Effects of oral TU and topical T on calculated free T, DHT, estradiol (E2), LH, FSH and SHBG are depicted in Fig. 6. As expected in both treatment groups, T administration caused significant elevations from baseline in free T, DHT, and estradiol and decreases in, LH, FSH and SHBG. The magnitude of effects observed in oral TU patients paralleled those seen in patients treated with topical T and the differences in responses between the treatment groups was not statistically different. However, there was a trend toward higher free T concentrations in oral TU patients compared to topical T patients and a greater mean decline in SHBG in oralTU patients. The greater increase in free T from baseline for the oral TU group was partly a function of a 36% decrease in mean SHBG from 28.6 ± 14.7 (SD) to 17.0 ±7.6 nmol/L in the oral TU group compared to essentially no change in the topical T group from 26.8 ± 10 to 26.4 ± 11.7 nmol/L. However, both baseline and final mean SHBG concentrations remained within the normal range for eugonadal men (10.8 to 46.6 nmol/L) at the final study visit in both groups.

Over the course of the study, mean estradiol levels increased to slightly above the upper end of the eugonadal range in both treatment groups [oral TU: 32 ± 14 pg/mL (117 ± 51 pmol/L) and topical T: 33 ± 18 pg/mL (121 ± 66 pmol/L]. Plasma DHT concentrations for the oral TU- and topical T treated patients were essentially identical at all PK visits and at the final visit [73 ng/dL (2.5 nmol/L) were slightly above the normal upper limit of 65 ng/dL (2.2 nmol/L). Mean change from baseline in the serum concentrations of LH and FSH at end of study (AM pre-dose concentration) in the oral TU and topical T patients showed an approximately 70% decrease from mean baseline values.

 

[Seagal]

Say what you like, but I want higher DHT! Deeper voice, manly chest hair, higher libido, and fortunately I am not prone to male-pattern baldness.

What testosterone formulations help increase DHT? Is scrotal cream/gel/patch the only way?

What else can help increase DHT?

If you really need to push in this direction, Mesterolone injections might be something to consider.

And perhaps more importantly - how would I know if I'm producing too much DHT and should lower it?

Why not start with testing your blood DHT levels?

 

[Weasel]

Wasn’t there some guy around here injecting propionate into his sack? Wonder what ever happened to him?

 

[phalloguy100]

Wasn’t there some guy around here injecting propionate into his sack? Wonder what ever happened to him?

O wow. Yeah I’m not that desperate.

You are out to lunch if you think driving up your DHT is going to result in a deeper voice, not happening post-puberty no matter how high you drive up your FT/DHT levels!

It **did** happen on the two occasions I used Andactrim (for PE). Also happened when I was doing compounded T cream from Defy/Empower and applied it to the scrotum, but this was more inconsistent. In fact, it was the Defy doctor that told me to use it on the scrotum to increase DHT *and* get a deeper voice (alas temporarily).


I didn’t know oral TU had the same effect on DHT as scrotal cream. That’s the one thing the urologist recommended when Natesto wasn’t cutting it but I was afraid it would cause liver issues. (now I know that’s not the case… but he’s already in the process of getting approval for testopel).

 

[phalloguy100]

Mesterolone

Is that Proviron??

 

[Seagal]

Is that Proviron??

Yes, oral version is proviron but there are also esterified versions with prop and enanthate

 

[Vince]

Creatine

Sudden Elevated DHT?

Curious if anyone has experienced a sudden onset of elevated DHT levels? Over the past 6 months my DHT has jumped from 79 to 123. Estradiol went from 39 to 52. My program for the last five years is 90mg Test Cyp 2x week. I have RX for AI but rarely if ever need it. I average high 800’s approx...

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[TrevorTRT]

There’s a few methods to increase DHT:

- Tribulus (standardized to Protodioscin)
- Creatine (weak evidence for an increase)
- Zinc (if deficient)
- Butea Superba (one study shows this)
- Topical DHEA on scrotum
- Topical T cream on scrotum (effective)
- Topical DHT (most effective method)
- Oral T Undecanoate (large doses needed)

I’ve been using Topical 20% DHT gel and had labs done showing my blood serum DHT levels are > 900ng/dL.

It really depends how high you are looking to push your DHT levels. Not sure where the threshold of diminishing returns is.

 

[magnus68]

There’s a few methods to increase DHT:

- Tribulus (standardized to Protodioscin)
- Creatine (weak evidence for an increase)
- Zinc (if deficient)
- Butea Superba (one study shows this)
- Topical DHEA on scrotum
- Topical T cream on scrotum (effective)
- Topical DHT (most effective method)
- Oral T Undecanoate (large doses needed)

I’ve been using Topical 20% DHT gel and had labs done showing my blood serum DHT levels are > 900ng/dL.

It really depends how high you are looking to push your DHT levels. Not sure where the threshold of diminishing returns is.

Where are you getting your topical DHT

 

[TrevorTRT]

Where are you getting your topical DHT

I’ve sourced my 20% DHT gel from AlphaGels.

Purchasing is through their email: [email protected]