Hey thanks Vince, I'll check it out. Does it help?
Gene's Nitric Oxide Stack
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Hey thanks Vince, I'll check it out. Does it help?
Vince Carter
Banned
I like it. I feel better, not energized but some motivation, interest in things. My days at work aren't quite the drawn out struggles to get to 4pm. My evenings I'm able to do some hobbying and avoid being asleep on the couch @ 7pm. It's suggested to take it 10:1 with 5HTP. some peeps report using it as much as 2g of L-Tyrosine. Note the difference with N-Acetyl...the dosing is a little different as the N-Acetyl is more soluble for the blood brain barrier and you need less.
Fireproof
Member
Alright, I've read through this entire post 3 times over the past 2 weeks. I decided to start with baby steps on this stack, starting with Arginine, Citruline, and Pycnogenol. I'd like to see how that makes me feel for 2-4 weeks. Next I'll add Beet Powder and Icariin/HGW. I'd like to avoid adding the pharmaceutical components to see if this is enough to restore some of my energy and wood, but you guys make a good case for low dose Tadalafil. I started today. We'll see how it goes.
UPDATE @ 6 PM: Wow, incredible headache. Most likely arginine related. May need to scale back slightly from the 3g dose.
I thought I would try the "non-Rx" version of this stack as well to see how I do. Locally could only get Arginine, Citrulline, and Horny Goat Weed. Will have to order Pycnogenol online.
Anyway - last night I took the first 3 ingredients and had a terrible headache as well. Do you guys think it's likely the arginine?
I ordered tadalafil 20mg from secure tabs a month ago. I spoke with them several times and finally informed me they are not taking new customers at the moment. Some sort of problem with their cred card processing. I've been on the stack for about a month, all good. Just wanting to try out the whole stack. Anyone know of any sources for tadalafil w/o a prescription please let me know. I am open to trying peptides as well. PM me if necessary. Thanks in advance.
Vince Carter
Banned
just google peptides and Tadalafil and you'll get plenty of sites. BlueSkyPeptide, Top Peptides are two that I use.
Been trying out parts of the NO stack, I do the 5mg Cialis via maxim liquid twice daily, but the BP med im on is a ace inhibitor (lotensin), does that work the same way as the alpha blocker? Not going to change meds because ive been on this one for a long time. L-arginine powder(tastes like rotten salmon) x2 day 2.5G. these 3 Seem to give me great work outs and the morning wood is off the hook..
CoastWatcher
Moderator
An ACE-Inhibitor is a totally different animal than an alpha-blocker in regard to erectile/prostate/NO issues.
Tommy Wall
Member
I am on ACE inhibitor and so far no problem with Cialis. However I would like to try Losartan (angiotensin II receptor antagonists).
I read on this forum that it is a good choice. I asked my doc before about his opinion but he only replied that Losartan is "old school" . Any one who takes this medicine with daily Cialis that could post some recomendation or info?
I read on this forum that it is a good choice. I asked my doc before about his opinion but he only replied that Losartan is "old school" . Any one who takes this medicine with daily Cialis that could post some recomendation or info?
Hey Gene and rest of the guys here. Trying to find out from guys that have been taking this for longer than 3 mos: how long have you been taking the Cialis and have you noticed any tolerance from it? I was only able to find one study that ran for 3 mos, and although that study determined there was no tolerance noted up to 3 mos using Cialis (Tadalafil), has anyone noticed anything past 3 mos? Thanks in advance.
Vince Carter
Banned
I think it's been anecdotally reported some dependency on the drug, whatever that means, not addiction but just a mental block or some such.
Greg McCammon
New Member
I have been on the stack for a week now and already seeing big results especially with erection firmness. Those that have tried the stack did you notice any decline in the effectiveness of the stack over a period of time with continued use? I have a vacation with my girlfriend I coming up in just over a week and if it keeps working like this I don't want to stop using it but if it declined with time I was going to stop for a week or so and start back on it again. Thanks.
Steelballs
Member
Tommy, I have been on daily Cialis 5mg and Losartin for at least a year and I'm very happy. Just log your BP before and after because everyone is different especially if you are doing a stack. I would have stayed on Lisinopril if it wasn't for the cough. If your Doc says it old school I'd like to know if he has a recommendation. I can guess especially if he is a GP. I can't warn people on this forum enough how most BP meds will most definitely give you ED.
I hit a snag. Here was my routine for several months, working out great for very reliable erection.
Citrulline from Vitamin Shoppe: includes these below
Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate - (A-Akg) 3000mg
L-CITRULLINE MALATE 1000mg
L-Taurine 500mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid 25mg
BIOPERINE - (BLACK PEPPER EXTRACT) 5mg
Daily Routine:
Liquid Cia afternoon and night 5mg
3 pills Nitrulline morning, noon, night total 9 pills daily
50mg pycnogenol morning, noon, night total 150 mg daily
150mg icarrin morning, noon, night total 450mg daily Vitamin Shoppe Horny Goat week especially for men
2 eggs with yoke for breakfast ( I heard the cholesterol was needed for testosterone)
POM daily, various amounts
Most days I take Carlson Super D Cod Liver Oil 2 teaspoons am, 2 at night
Then a while back I ran out of everything and got busy with work and figured I'd be back on it soon. Maybe 2 weeks off the routine. Then got in a new batch of liquid CIA, and was back on the routine as before. Now after maybe at least 2 weeks on the same exact routine, results are not good. I can sometimes get a good ER but no good duration. This past two weeks I have been on 4 of the Citrulline tablets, 200mg icarrin( 4 tablets), 1 pyc. Diet is basically the same but I have been snacking on some sugar type snacks more than before. I even have a new bottle of liquid CIA for this past week, not difference.
Any ideas on what is going on here? I sure thought I was cured before the break happened.
Citrulline from Vitamin Shoppe: includes these below
Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate - (A-Akg) 3000mg
L-CITRULLINE MALATE 1000mg
L-Taurine 500mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid 25mg
BIOPERINE - (BLACK PEPPER EXTRACT) 5mg
Daily Routine:
Liquid Cia afternoon and night 5mg
3 pills Nitrulline morning, noon, night total 9 pills daily
50mg pycnogenol morning, noon, night total 150 mg daily
150mg icarrin morning, noon, night total 450mg daily Vitamin Shoppe Horny Goat week especially for men
2 eggs with yoke for breakfast ( I heard the cholesterol was needed for testosterone)
POM daily, various amounts
Most days I take Carlson Super D Cod Liver Oil 2 teaspoons am, 2 at night
Then a while back I ran out of everything and got busy with work and figured I'd be back on it soon. Maybe 2 weeks off the routine. Then got in a new batch of liquid CIA, and was back on the routine as before. Now after maybe at least 2 weeks on the same exact routine, results are not good. I can sometimes get a good ER but no good duration. This past two weeks I have been on 4 of the Citrulline tablets, 200mg icarrin( 4 tablets), 1 pyc. Diet is basically the same but I have been snacking on some sugar type snacks more than before. I even have a new bottle of liquid CIA for this past week, not difference.
Any ideas on what is going on here? I sure thought I was cured before the break happened.
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Gene Devine
Super Moderator
Increase your cialis to 10 mg twice daily. Make sure to shake the bottle well and let the dose sit under your tongue.
ManifestMass17
New Member
Gene is a mad genius and this stack is nothing short of a miracle!
I am running my own variation inspired by Gene and it's made a HUGE difference for me.
At the young ripe age of just 32, after MANY MANY years of being celibate (i.e. by choice), I found myself suddenly in an anything goes DTF relationship and shock, horror, the ultimate irony the little big guy wouldn't stay to play, just wouldn't keep up his end of the deal.
That relationship ended (for other reasons) and I soon found myself in a serious relationship... total wifey material. At first everything was fine there, but my issues persisted intermittently. My performance was far from the consistency that I wanted. A lot of stopping and starting to get things going again. She was 21 and I was 33 at this point, the sex was good and she was inexperienced but as you can imagine I felt like I really needed to "keep up" (all my own internal pressure, she was nothing but happy and supportive).
Enter Liquid Cialis and Liquid Viagra! A life saver I thought, but quickly I realized the results were inconsistent, really good sometimes but still with some of the stopping and starting other times. I tried as needed doses of one or the other, daily doses of cialis alone, daily doses of cialis with 25-50mg viagra, as needed doses of cialis with 25-50mg with 25-50mg of viagra, etc, etc. Varying degrees of success, definite improvements, but still inconsistencies.
I now live with this amazing woman and consistency, being ready to go and keep going, day and night, is absolutely crucial!
Enter "The Stack"! I had tried Citrulline Malate with DAA and TongKat Ali back when I was 32 and found it helped a little back then. I remembered reading about stacking Cirtrulline with Cialis back then as well. I did some more research and discovered Gene's write up. Actually I am sure I had seen it before as well, but this time I bookmarked it and said YES!
I have adjusted it to suite me based on my experience and input from elsewhere online.
The key point here is now I am at place when I am always ready to go. I rarely need to stop and get things going again, and when I do it's very very brief. I feel like firmness and staying power are both continuing to increase, and I am at about 3 weeks in (so hoping for and expecting more improvement).
I basically feel like at this point it is the rest of my body that has trouble keeping up with the little big guy. He will be all good to go and loving it, but I can't hold this great position we love for more than a minute because basically I can't hold planks that long... I can't pound away vigorously at the pace I'd like in an easier position for more than a few minutes because I couldn't run really fast for that long either.
So now I need to get in shape (I'm about 205lbs, sedentary, very high bf%, very low muscle mass).
From what I understand "The Stack" keeps working better and shows continual improvement for several months, between that and spending the next few months getting back in shape (cardio and weights), I am expecting not only erection quality but overall sexual performance to go through the roof.
I am 34 years old now and not only am I performing better than I remember from my teens, but it looks like the best has yet to come.
Thanks for your contribution to that Gene!
My current stack...
Morning:
- 10mg Liquid Cialis (BlueSkyPeptides)
- 5,000mg Citrulline Malate 2:1 (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
- 500mg Pine Bark Extract (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
Afternoon:
- 5,000mg Citrulline Malate 2:1 (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
- 250mg Pine Bark Extract (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
Night:
- 10mg Liquid Cialis (BlueSkyPeptides)
- 5,000mg Citrulline Malate 2:1 (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
- 250mg Pine Bark Extract (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
As you can see I am using Pine Bark Extract instead of Pcynogenol, and my dose is much higher than studies tested for ED. It's so much cheaper, arguably the same exact thing or dang close, and the dose level is geared more towards it's other benefits.
I am considering throwing in the occasional low dose viagra for a little extra fun, but we will see.
I also take two NOW Ultra Omega-3 500EPA/250DHA pills, 10,000 IU Vitamin D3, and a B-Complex with Folic Acid and Vitamin C and Biotin.
I am running my own variation inspired by Gene and it's made a HUGE difference for me.
At the young ripe age of just 32, after MANY MANY years of being celibate (i.e. by choice), I found myself suddenly in an anything goes DTF relationship and shock, horror, the ultimate irony the little big guy wouldn't stay to play, just wouldn't keep up his end of the deal.
That relationship ended (for other reasons) and I soon found myself in a serious relationship... total wifey material. At first everything was fine there, but my issues persisted intermittently. My performance was far from the consistency that I wanted. A lot of stopping and starting to get things going again. She was 21 and I was 33 at this point, the sex was good and she was inexperienced but as you can imagine I felt like I really needed to "keep up" (all my own internal pressure, she was nothing but happy and supportive).
Enter Liquid Cialis and Liquid Viagra! A life saver I thought, but quickly I realized the results were inconsistent, really good sometimes but still with some of the stopping and starting other times. I tried as needed doses of one or the other, daily doses of cialis alone, daily doses of cialis with 25-50mg viagra, as needed doses of cialis with 25-50mg with 25-50mg of viagra, etc, etc. Varying degrees of success, definite improvements, but still inconsistencies.
I now live with this amazing woman and consistency, being ready to go and keep going, day and night, is absolutely crucial!
Enter "The Stack"! I had tried Citrulline Malate with DAA and TongKat Ali back when I was 32 and found it helped a little back then. I remembered reading about stacking Cirtrulline with Cialis back then as well. I did some more research and discovered Gene's write up. Actually I am sure I had seen it before as well, but this time I bookmarked it and said YES!
I have adjusted it to suite me based on my experience and input from elsewhere online.
The key point here is now I am at place when I am always ready to go. I rarely need to stop and get things going again, and when I do it's very very brief. I feel like firmness and staying power are both continuing to increase, and I am at about 3 weeks in (so hoping for and expecting more improvement).
I basically feel like at this point it is the rest of my body that has trouble keeping up with the little big guy. He will be all good to go and loving it, but I can't hold this great position we love for more than a minute because basically I can't hold planks that long... I can't pound away vigorously at the pace I'd like in an easier position for more than a few minutes because I couldn't run really fast for that long either.
So now I need to get in shape (I'm about 205lbs, sedentary, very high bf%, very low muscle mass).
From what I understand "The Stack" keeps working better and shows continual improvement for several months, between that and spending the next few months getting back in shape (cardio and weights), I am expecting not only erection quality but overall sexual performance to go through the roof.
I am 34 years old now and not only am I performing better than I remember from my teens, but it looks like the best has yet to come.
Thanks for your contribution to that Gene!
My current stack...
Morning:
- 10mg Liquid Cialis (BlueSkyPeptides)
- 5,000mg Citrulline Malate 2:1 (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
- 500mg Pine Bark Extract (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
Afternoon:
- 5,000mg Citrulline Malate 2:1 (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
- 250mg Pine Bark Extract (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
Night:
- 10mg Liquid Cialis (BlueSkyPeptides)
- 5,000mg Citrulline Malate 2:1 (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
- 250mg Pine Bark Extract (Bulk Supplements brand on Amazon)
As you can see I am using Pine Bark Extract instead of Pcynogenol, and my dose is much higher than studies tested for ED. It's so much cheaper, arguably the same exact thing or dang close, and the dose level is geared more towards it's other benefits.
I am considering throwing in the occasional low dose viagra for a little extra fun, but we will see.
I also take two NOW Ultra Omega-3 500EPA/250DHA pills, 10,000 IU Vitamin D3, and a B-Complex with Folic Acid and Vitamin C and Biotin.
Probably asked before, but I've got a question about the safety of combining parts of this stack.
I get my protein from PES (absolutely delicious - I highly recommend the Peanut Butter Cup) and they sent me a sample of their "High Volume" Nitric Oxide supplement. It contains:
Vitamin C (250mg)
L-Citrulline (4,000mg)
"Performance Pump Matrix" (3750mg), which contains
- Taurine
- Gylcerol 65%
- Ferula Asafoetida extract
- Arginine Nitrate (2,000mg)
- Agmatine Sulfate (1,000mg)
The label contains the following warning:
Do not use if you are taking erectile dysfunction medication. Do not take additional nitrates in the form of medication or dietary supplements along with this product.
It does not explain why. Some of the ingredients are part of Gene's stack. I'm curious where and what the risk is. Is there some danger in combining citrulline and a PDE5 inhibitor? Agmatine? Arginine?
My urologist prescribed me 5mg daily Cialis, which I take about twice a week. I tried out the High Volume and felt pretty good, and got a few spontaneous erections - not sure if it was the cause. I heeded the advice on the label, though, and didn't combine it with the Cialis. If this is just boilerplate warning, I might buy some of the High Volume and mix take both Cialis and a scoop of it on the same day. If it's serious, I won't.
I get my protein from PES (absolutely delicious - I highly recommend the Peanut Butter Cup) and they sent me a sample of their "High Volume" Nitric Oxide supplement. It contains:
Vitamin C (250mg)
L-Citrulline (4,000mg)
"Performance Pump Matrix" (3750mg), which contains
- Taurine
- Gylcerol 65%
- Ferula Asafoetida extract
- Arginine Nitrate (2,000mg)
- Agmatine Sulfate (1,000mg)
The label contains the following warning:
Do not use if you are taking erectile dysfunction medication. Do not take additional nitrates in the form of medication or dietary supplements along with this product.
It does not explain why. Some of the ingredients are part of Gene's stack. I'm curious where and what the risk is. Is there some danger in combining citrulline and a PDE5 inhibitor? Agmatine? Arginine?
My urologist prescribed me 5mg daily Cialis, which I take about twice a week. I tried out the High Volume and felt pretty good, and got a few spontaneous erections - not sure if it was the cause. I heeded the advice on the label, though, and didn't combine it with the Cialis. If this is just boilerplate warning, I might buy some of the High Volume and mix take both Cialis and a scoop of it on the same day. If it's serious, I won't.
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