Feedback on lab results

[madman]

@madman there’s a lot to unpack there and you were all over the place, while seeming somewhat frustrated (or at least that’s how it came off at times during that post). No need to “hammer into my dome” anything. I’m not talking about blasting and cruising. I’m simply stating that “absurdly high” could be subjective. You say it’s high whether injecting daily or once/week. However, there would be a HUGE difference in those two examples. If I inject once per week and my trough is at 30 then my peaks are way WAY higher than that 6 days of the week. If I inject daily and my trough is at 30 then my peak would not be nearly as high as in the first example.

Plus you are discussing “resolution of symptoms” and “getting the maximum benefits” at the same time…those two things are not the same. A person could take a very small dose to see some improvement of symptoms while not even getting close to levels that would bring the full benefits. Again, I agree about most people tending to start out too high and chasing their tails as they go round and round. I even remember being disappointed that my doctor originally started me at 120 mg/week. I was hoping for something closer to 200 just because that is a number that is often parroted. Luckily I frequented this forum more than lots of the other places that you called out, with a large reason being the posting of great studies and lots of anectdotal experiences from reasonable experienced people here. And I should say that I greatly enjoy all the resources you share here. Now my ideal dose is closer down to 100/week and I’m glad I went that way instead of higher. That being said, that along with my HCG put my trough in the high 20’s approaching the, as you would call it, “absurdly high” trough level. I feel great here, have incredible symptom resolution, and feel that I am maximizing the benefits of trt(not to be confused with simply resolving symptoms). All of my health markers look great. My sleep, well-being, energy levels, mental clarity, motivation, libido, and workouts are all great. If some people say I’m running “absurdly high” free t levels to accomplish that then so be it.

Edit to add - I also second your sentiments about being careful to take the “I feel great so I must be healthy” approach, and that’s a pet peeve of mine. Lots of people justify unhealthy habits by saying if they feel good then it can’t be too bad. Many even eat themselves into an early grave by saying their food makes them feel good. People should be careful and realize humans are good at justifying things even when they feel down understand it probably isn’t the best path. So again, I agree with calling out the dangers that may arise from that approach.

You would get the point as I have made it very clear on numerous posts that a trough FT 30-30+ng/dL is absurdly high and yes I also made it very clear in previous posts that there will be a big difference running a trough FT 30-30+ ng/dL injecting daily vs twice-weekly let alone once weekly!

Bottom line here is hitting a trough FT 30 ng/dL injecting daily is absurdly high compared to where a healthy young male would sit and that is at peak!

Again rare any natty male is hitting a peak FT 20-25 ng/dL.

As I stated previously.

What percentile of healthy young men would even be hitting a peak not trough FT 20-25 ng/dL.

Even if you took the outlier nattys (healthy young men) hitting a high FT 20-25 ng/dL again this is a short-lived daily peak.

Sure as hell not a trough - depending on injection frequency - dailies, 2 days later (EOD), 3 days later (M/W/F), 3.5 days later (twice-weekly), let alone 7 days later (once weekly)!

No I'm not buying into the one needs to be hitting an absurdly high trough FT,key word here being absurd in order to experience the maximum benefits of having a healthy FT level, now if we are speaking in terms of body composition (increased muscle/strength and recovery).....sure!

Most of the men struggling on these forums are overmedicated!

Regardless do what is best for you and yes just to be clear many may very well fare better running higher levels within reason!