Dialed in on Testosterone Propionate, How to Switch to Cypionate

[Systemlord]

Cypionate is "gentler" for lack of a better word.

This is opposite to how my body responds. I need those big fluctuations over the course of hours rather than days.

I have two labs showing am and pm natural levels. My early morning TT 438 ng/dL, FT 8.4 ng/dL and late afternoon TT 103 ng/dL, FT 1.89.

This is with a 33-37 SHBG level.

 

[BadassBlues]

I'll bet it has something to do with daily injections, which can get old after a few years.

I assumed that, it does get old after a while. I go through cycles of multiple daily injections with peptides. It's nice to take a break from being a pincushion from time to time.

With that said, I am about to start a 10 day Epithalon course next week. This along with daily peptides. I keep Easy Touch in business...

 

[BadassBlues]

This is opposite to how my body responds. I need those big fluctuations over the course of hours rather than days.

I have two labs showing am and pm natural levels. My early morning TT 438 ng/dL, FT 8.4 ng/dL and late afternoon TT 103 ng/dL, FT 1.89.

Sorry buddy, I'm not understanding. Big fluctuations would be more in line with Propionate. Did I misunderstand you?

 

[Systemlord]

Sorry buddy, I'm not understanding. Big fluctuations would be more in line with Propionate. Did I misunderstand you?

I'm all natural. I was referring Jatenzo if someone needed TRT.

 

[BadassBlues]

I'm all natural. I was referring Jatenzo is someone needed TRT.

Ahhh... I have absolutely no experience with any oral forms.

 

[Jerajera]

interesting, the anxiety is most likely from e2. i had similar issues with hcg /prop in the past, but more at like 2k IU dosing. way i knew its e2 is that by taking anastrazole 0.25mg it all left within 6h or so. i learned that hcg doesn't do a whole lot above 3x500IU for me

Definitely E2, I agree. Never had an actual panic attack in my life until the Prop + hCG combo though, it was quite the experience.
I think if I can ever get my hands on some DHT, running Test P + DHT gel/cream might be an amazing protocol.

 

[Cataceous]

1) Madman is correct on many things, but not the effects of ester.
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I think it's more a matter of semantics. It is true that esters slow the release of testosterone, and that once released from the esters the testosterone molecules are indistinguishable from others, regardless of source. I do not believe @madman is arguing that differing pharmacokinetics do not cause distinguishable macroscopic effects. Even with a single ester it is trivially obvious that the pharmacokinetics affect function. For example, compare injecting 200 mg of testosterone cypionate once every two weeks to injecting it daily in divided doses.

 

[lebroseixoife]

I'll bet it has something to do with being a daily pincushion for life.

There's always Kyzatrex.

Exactly. If I can do E7D or even E5D and get the same/similar results, then why not? Why would you have to do ED if it will work the other way? Well, gotta try and see once I get dialed in.