Best Sleep Supplements

[Vince]

The thread? Yes, as it was being formed. Linus Pauling all over again. Somebody decides to focus on one nutrient or hormone as "the answer". Because a little is good, a boatload must be better, right?

One of the interesting things, how it helps women using chemo to fight breast cancer. It helps the chemo kill the bad cells and help the good cells survive. The doctors prescribing melatonin also started taking it because of all the good benefits they see besides the benefits of surviving cells.

The reason they had women supplement with melatonin because women with higher levels of melatonin survive breast cancer better.

They are using 100 mg to 200 mg daily. Both the doctors and patients.

Use of Melatonin in Cancer Treatment: Where Are We? - PMC

Cancer represents a large group of diseases accounting for nearly 10 million deaths each year. Various treatment strategies, including surgical resection combined with chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and immunotherapy, have been applied for cancer ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Cataceous]

One of the interesting things, how it helps women using chemo to fight breast cancer. It helps the chemo kill the bad cells and help the good cells survive. The doctors prescribing melatonin also started taking it because of all the good benefits they see besides the benefits of surviving cells.
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They are using 100 mg to 200 mg daily. Both the doctors and patients.
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And pharmacological doses given as an adjunct to chemotherapy have what bearing on doses for healthy individuals? You also misrepresent the size of the doses. I checked several of the studies at random, and ones mentioning doses in the abstract cited 5 mg, 18 mg and 20 mg/day. You're taking way more than they did.

 

[Vince]

And pharmacological doses given as an adjunct to chemotherapy have what bearing on doses for healthy individuals? You also misrepresent the size of the doses. I checked several of the studies at random, and ones mentioning doses in the abstract cited 5 mg, 18 mg and 20 mg/day. You're taking way more than they did.

@Cataceous I'm presently out of town visiting family. Hopefully I'll be able to research it and show you the evidence of Cancer patients, doctors and their nurses using 100 mg - 200mg of melatonin daily. Plus the great results they've had.

I guess you missed it on my older threads.

 

[Nujace]

Anyone mention or used DSiP (delta sleep inducing peptide)

I’ve only heard a few reports and only one sounded good. Still want to try it because I have needed sleep meds for 30 years now and I’m mid 40s. Problem is staying asleep. Not falling asleep

 

[over60andusingtrt]

That is wild! I had no idea. I ordered 60mg on Amazon and will try for a few nights. I reckon I've got nothing to lose.

Update: I tried the 60mg and it was awful. I have no idea how someone could tolerate that high of a dose. Just goes to prove that everyone is distinctly different.

 

[over60andusingtrt]

Yoo,

This is probably the hardest quest I had in my life , to have a good night's rest.

I tried everything under the sun , searched for years on end until a few months ago nothing really helped.

What I tried was :

Supplements :

-L-tryptofan ( for melatonin production , did not help )
-Melatonin ( experimenting with a range of doses from 0.25mcg up to 5mg ) helped to fall asleep but woke me up 2 hrs later woke af ,couldn't fall asleep afther
-Magnesium l-threonate ( passes blood brain barrier , helped you relax ) did not feel much but it's still good for other things

Biohack/lifestyle protocol

4-7-8 breathwork pre sleep to calm nervous system ( 4 in ,7 hold 8 out trough mouth making a shhooos sound like blowing wind ) this helps to relax you really good but did not help me to sleep

Wearing blue light blocking glasses 2 hr before sleep ( still do this )

Sleeping on a grounding mat ( still do this for reducing inflammation in the body I feel like it helps )

I even tried PEMF therapy with a device that is called ' earthpulse sleep. Pemf stands for pulsed electro magnetic frequencies. It can play a range of frequencies to entrain your brain into them. Like the theta ( wake ,energized), alpha ( awake but relaxed , heals mitochondria) delta ( deep sleep , dreaming ) states. So This device is not helping me sleep but I still use it not to sleep but for the benefit of healing and repairing my body , mitochondria.


Okay now the final awnser that solved my problem.
I live in belgium and here we have a facility where you can check your genes and all the other health markers , it's kind of expensive but I saved money for it anf I am glad I did.
What I have found that could mess with my sleep where a few things

You have a gene that makes you a 'warrior' or a 'worrier' well , I am the worrier type so it was good that I allready did a bunch of stuff that relaxes me.

Most importantly I have a gene mutation. ( its kind of a hot topic right now) that is called MHTFR or the mother*ucker gene.

It's a gene that disturbs the methylation proces in your body and thus can wreck havoc on your system if you do not optimize it.

I did not know that before and I was taking a lot of supplements that my body could not proces well due to the mutation I have had and I fixed it with taking

3 grams of TMG a day , also taking MSM ( sulfur ) 6 grams a day and guess what it's crazy but since I started that my sleep has greatly improved !

Before It was hard to fall asleep and even harder to stay asleep and now I fall asleep within 1 hr or so and sleep 5-6 hours straigh and afther waking up I can still sleep afterwards.

I feel your struggle if you can't sleep well , I hope you find a solution.

Greetings and have a blessed day.

You may be onto something here. I tried your protocols and I'm surprised to report that I've just had two of the best sleeps I've had in months, if not years! It'll be interesting to see if this stuff will work for me on a consistent basis. Thanks a million for your post!

 

[Fernando Almaguer]

Take some glycine before bed, melatonin maybe ashwaganda, sauna... but glycine before bed with magnesium will knock you out!

 

[Vince]

And pharmacological doses given as an adjunct to chemotherapy have what bearing on doses for healthy individuals? You also misrepresent the size of the doses. I checked several of the studies at random, and ones mentioning doses in the abstract cited 5 mg, 18 mg and 20 mg/day. You're taking way more than they did.

The safety data on melatonin is astounding. So far no one has been able to find a toxic dose! Many of the leading researchers on melatonin in the world take more than 100 mg every day just to prevent cancer. I routinely start all my cancer patients on a minimum of 60 mg per day and use up to 200 mg per day. In addition, it can be taken throughout the day. So if you have cancer, talk to your doctor about adding melatonin to your treatment. It could save your life.

Can melatonin help treat blood-based tumors

I have been championing the cause of melatonin for years now. An increasing number of studies indicate that melatonin protects normal cells from radiation and chemotherapy while at the same time reducing cancer-cell growth. It doesn’t get much better than that for an integrated cancer therapy...

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Melatonin is also a big immune system booster.

"The safety data on melatonin is astounding. So far no one has been able to find a toxic dose! Many of the leading researchers on melatonin in the world take more than 100 mg every day just to prevent cancer. I routinely start all my cancer patients on a minimum of 60 mg per day and use up to...

www.excelmale.com

 

[Belekas]

Take some glycine before bed, melatonin maybe ashwaganda, sauna... but glycine before bed with magnesium will knock you out!

Unless it translates into full blown next day anxiety and/or panic attack shit. Plenty of issues as many can't tolerate this form, me included. Can tolerate Citrate though. Although feel absolutely no difference while on or off so I stay off. Diet is key. Everything from food and don't need no supplements. First gotta make sure one is metabolically healthy and eats, rests, trains well. Everything else is just details IME.

 

[Belekas]

Yoo,

This is probably the hardest quest I had in my life , to have a good night's rest.

I tried everything under the sun , searched for years on end until a few months ago nothing really helped.

What I tried was :

Supplements :

-L-tryptofan ( for melatonin production , did not help )
-Melatonin ( experimenting with a range of doses from 0.25mcg up to 5mg ) helped to fall asleep but woke me up 2 hrs later woke af ,couldn't fall asleep afther
-Magnesium l-threonate ( passes blood brain barrier , helped you relax ) did not feel much but it's still good for other things

Biohack/lifestyle protocol

4-7-8 breathwork pre sleep to calm nervous system ( 4 in ,7 hold 8 out trough mouth making a shhooos sound like blowing wind ) this helps to relax you really good but did not help me to sleep

Wearing blue light blocking glasses 2 hr before sleep ( still do this )

Sleeping on a grounding mat ( still do this for reducing inflammation in the body I feel like it helps )

I even tried PEMF therapy with a device that is called ' earthpulse sleep. Pemf stands for pulsed electro magnetic frequencies. It can play a range of frequencies to entrain your brain into them. Like the theta ( wake ,energized), alpha ( awake but relaxed , heals mitochondria) delta ( deep sleep , dreaming ) states. So This device is not helping me sleep but I still use it not to sleep but for the benefit of healing and repairing my body , mitochondria.


Okay now the final awnser that solved my problem.
I live in belgium and here we have a facility where you can check your genes and all the other health markers , it's kind of expensive but I saved money for it anf I am glad I did.
What I have found that could mess with my sleep where a few things

You have a gene that makes you a 'warrior' or a 'worrier' well , I am the worrier type so it was good that I allready did a bunch of stuff that relaxes me.

Most importantly I have a gene mutation. ( its kind of a hot topic right now) that is called MHTFR or the mother*ucker gene.

It's a gene that disturbs the methylation proces in your body and thus can wreck havoc on your system if you do not optimize it.

I did not know that before and I was taking a lot of supplements that my body could not proces well due to the mutation I have had and I fixed it with taking

3 grams of TMG a day , also taking MSM ( sulfur ) 6 grams a day and guess what it's crazy but since I started that my sleep has greatly improved !

Before It was hard to fall asleep and even harder to stay asleep and now I fall asleep within 1 hr or so and sleep 5-6 hours straigh and afther waking up I can still sleep afterwards.

I feel your struggle if you can't sleep well , I hope you find a solution.

Greetings and have a blessed day.

Yeah same here but sleep was never an issue for me. Got all the fucked up homozygous genes including some for Hemachromatosis, CYP, MTRR, COMT, PEMT, etc all +/+ and many more not helping the issues as well. This is def an underlooked area and many more should pay attention to it IMO. Btw have you done Homocysteine test before starting supplements? Glad you sleeping better, hope it resolves completely over time.