tried all this diet stuff. helps slightlyNot trying to derail the thread and make it all about diet, like I have a tendency to do lol, but this is a great vid, imo, for anyone struggling with psychiatric issues, including depression/ anxiety. It’s an interview where a psychiatrist, after many years of practicing, found that she can actually do more good for her patients by helping them with their diets, vs medication. She still prescribes medications, if absolutely needed, but uses them more as a last resort, compared to using them as the go to method of treatment, like she did throughout most of her career.
As far as medications go, SSRI’s just don’t seem like an optimal long term solution. I know they can help, and possibly be life saving, for some people, but the mechanism of action just doesn’t make a ton of sense. But I can see how they can have their place, at the same time. Obv this might not be everyone’s experience with increasing seratonin levels, to a moderate/ high degree, but it seems like increasing seratonin too much leads most people to feel somewhat emotionally flat/ numb. I actually experienced something like this personally one time. It was back before I knew that all SSRI studies are either flawed or corrupt, and that increasing serotonin levels have actually never been proven to improve mood to any significant degree. At the time, I genuinely believe that increasing serotonin levels were one of the best ways to improve mood. So I started taking a few supplements that are known to increase serotonin levels. I started taking tryptophan and 5-htp. I don’t remember exactly how many days it took to feel this way, but I just remember feeling very emotionally flat/ numb. Like I wasn’t really happy, but I wasn’t sad either. It was very weird. I kind of felt like a walking zombie emotionally. So I stopped taking them both after realizing the effects they were having on me. And obv that’s just an N of 1 experience, but from everything I’ve read over the years, it seems like it’s actually very common for people on SSRI’s to experience something similar. Again, I can see the benefit in this tho. For instance, if a person is suicidal, due to their depression, I can see kind of feeling nothing/ being emotionally numb/ flat, being better than feeling so depressed that u want to kill urself. So I can see this being a very viable short term solution, in situations like that. Or just if a person is experiencing very bad depression/ anxiety, on a regular basis, I can see feeling emotionally flat/ numb, being better than feeling those ways on a day to day basis. Again tho, based on the way high serotonin levels make most people feel, SSRI’s seem like a poor option, imo, if improved mood/ well being is the ultimate goal. But obv if some people experience this on them, and feel better than they do without taking them, I definitely think they should just continue taking them.
What makes a bit more sense to me, as far as medications and mood go, is medications that increase dopamine. If u look at the symptoms of increased dopamine, and what most people experience when increasing their dopamine levels, it just seems like these meds would give a person a better chance at success, if improved mood was the ultimate goal. Medications that increase dopamine also have the added benefit of improving sexual function, in a lot of males that take them, vs SSRI’s that have the reputation of hurting things in the bedroom. Obv not all males experience this, but it does have that reputation for a reason. Not sure about medications that increase dopamine and anxiety tho. Not sure if they would help or hurt someone that already has some level of anxiety regularly. Based on what I know about meds that increase dopamine, my assumption is that they would probably not be ideal for people that struggle with anxiety regularly. I could totally be wrong about that tho
At the end of the day, I fully believe food equals mood tho. I experience it within myself, and have seen hundreds, if not thousands at this point, of anecdotes where people reported having life long/ treatment resistant depression, and ended up completely resolving it through diet. Again, don’t want to make this all about diet, cuz I know that can be very annoying for some people lol, but I’ll just link a few good examples of what I’m referencing above.
(psychiatrist that helps her patients by assisting them with their diets, mainly)
(38 mins to 38:30 into it guy talks about being on every SSRI known to man throughout his life, but then having zero depression while doing carnivore)
(16 mins to 18 mins guy talks about thinking he just got dealt a bad genetic hand and was just destined to be on pills for his depression and anxiety the rest of his life, until he found carnivore)
And just so people don’t think I’m like this carnivore diet zealot lol, and aren’t open minded, here’s a vid where from 3:50 to 4:50 a woman that’s now on a high fruit raw vegan diet, talks about how food equals mood, and that she now wakes up as happy as can be, and prior to doing this diet, she was so depressed that she would sometimes contemplate suicide.
anyone take TRT alongside mental health medications like Prozac(SSRIs) and Adderall or vyvanse?
tried all this diet stuff. helps slightly
If u feel like u’ve fully exhausted the whole diet/ nutrition route, when it comes to ur mental health issues, I won’t push it. But I’d be a very rich man if I had a dollar for every person that’s said they either eat healthy, or have tried to eat healthy, and then proceed to report that while eating “healthy” they were consuming foods like whole grains, nuts, seeds, beans/ lentils, vegetables, free range eggs and farm raised fish, for some examples. Anyone that understands diet/ nutrition will know that it’s absolutely insane to include any of these foods and healthy eating in the same sentence. I rarely ever come across someone that’s actually eating healthy, that says they’re eating healthy. 99.99% of people that think they’re eating healthy, aren’t. Ime at least. So my advice is to not completely rule out the nutritional aspect of ur mental health issues. Some people just don’t realize what foods are causing them issues. For example, I can show u an anecdote where a person with ALS figured out that they can basically completely resolve their ALS symptoms by going on the lion diet. Just ruminant animal meat and water. They found out that even adding herbs/ seasonings to their ruminant meat caused their ALS symptoms to return. That might sound impossible to some, due to 99% of people thinking there’s no way herbs and seasonings could cause issues for a person when consumed, but the reality is that they can. However, the only people that are going to notice any immediate negative effects are gonna be people that are extremely sensitive to foods they consume that are insulting the body. Another example is Jordan Peterson. He found that only strict carnivore keeps his severe lifelong depression away. He found that even consuming a salad will bring his severe depression back. Again, something most people think is impossible. His daughter can’t even consume any other animal products other than ruminant animal meat, while doing the carnivore diet, without her depression and joint issues returning. I could go on and on with examples of how “benign/ healthy” foods cause many people issues when consumed. But point being, u probably think u’ve tried eating healthy, and didn’t see enough positive effects, in regards to ur mental health, while doing so, but u most likely were still consuming many many foods that cause issues for u once consumed. It’s just extremely difficult for most people to make the connection between a food, and a negative effect, due to the negative effect usually not being immediate and/ or obv
Belekas
nobody
Better then ever brother, Thank You! Glad to see you back and hope you're killin' it as well! Been very busy and 100% tunnel vision so not much time on the forum lately
aloetard
Unofficial Disciple of Cataceous
Awesome! Smart man.Better then ever brother, Thank You! Glad to see you back and hope you're killin' it as well! Been very busy and 100% tunnel vision so not much time on the forum lately
Kill it Brother!!!!!
Just wanted to say Hi and am so pumped you are doing well.
Charliebizz
Well-Known Member
I wonder if some guys are just affected more by the shut down of the upstream hormons. I know my pregnenolone levels are flat lined. But I do not do well on preg supps. So who knows
Ya same. I don’t have mood issues, well maybe some irritability when my mental energy is low, but never have any depression or anxiety, luckily. But my preg levels are always super low, any time I get them tested, but never seem to feel good or experience any positive effects from taking preg. Have tried taking it a bunch of times. But definitely think HPTA shut down, leading to a decrease in downstream hormones, is a piece to the puzzle that’s going to be considered/ talked about more and more, as time goes on, in regards to HRT
Charliebizz
Well-Known Member
Yeah so might be unrelated for me also.
Possibly. Everyone’s different obv. But historically, I do have bottom of the barrel preg levels, every time I check them, but never suffer from depression or anxiety
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