Anastrozole or not

[DDD]

Let me ask you guys something. I do a protocol of Monday and Thursday mornings for T injections at 60 mgs each time. So after Monday I have to wait 3 days for the next one, and after Thursday I have to wait 4 days. Is that OK? Or does it really have to be exactly 3.5 days each time. I was doing E3D for a short while.

 

[maxadvance]

Let me ask you guys something. I do a protocol of Monday and Thursday mornings for T injections at 60 mgs each time. So after Monday I have to wait 3 days for the next one, and after Thursday I have to wait 4 days. Is that OK? Or does it really have to be exactly 3.5 days each time. I was doing E3D for a short while.

not a big deal with Cypionate only, especially if you've been doing it awhile with its' 8 day half life

 

[DDD]

An E2 of 38 (we will assume the ultra sensitive test) is only a useful number in a comparative ratio to your Total T. It makes perfect sense if you think about it: if your Total T was, say 500, then an E2 of 38 is a lot higher percentage-wise than if your total T was 1100, right?

Think of it like this: If we say that any E2 over 30 is too high, that is the exact same (faulty) logic as if we said that any man over 200 lbs is fat. What if the man has 7% body fat? What if the man was 6' 5" tall? etc...

ERO, yes I do understand. But if I'm not having morning erections, isn't that a sign of high E2? Also, Where does the T/E ration of 14-20 come from?

 

[Maximus220rr]

Vince
If u do your protocol every 3.5 days isn't there weeks that u inject 3 times that week?
I didn't know if that is overload?
Thanks

 

[Maximus220rr]

Houston
I got my lab form from discount labs and will go get bd tomorrow like we talked about.
But for this week should I do my hcg and test on same day and do it every 3.5 days?
Also if I do this way isn't some weeks I will be doing injections 3 times a week the way the 3.5 days routine plays out? So if I start tuesday then on Friday then my next time is monday....so the days are alwas changing.
Thanks

 

[CoastWatcher]

Houston
I got my lab form from discount labs and will go get bd tomorrow like we talked about.
But for this week should I do my hcg and test on same day and do it every 3.5 days?
Also if I do this way isn't some weeks I will be doing injections 3 times a week the way the 3.5 days routine plays out? So if I start tuesday then on Friday then my next time is monday....so the days are alwas changing.
Thanks

Those of us on an every 3.5-day cycle simply stick to a set schedule. In my case Tuesday morning and Friday afternoon. The difference, over the course of a year, isn't worth the calendar balancing.

 

[HoustonTX]

Vince
If u do your protocol every 3.5 days isn't there weeks that u inject 3 times that week?
I didn't know if that is overload?
Thanks

Every 3.5 days is every 3.5 days, no matter what it looks like on a calendar. The point is to have as few peaks and valleys as possible and have it mimick the way your body would naturally produce testosterone as closely as possible. But, 2x a week should be every 3.5 days. So, when your test and estradiol is at its lowest, is when you get your next injection on a consistent basis

 

[HoustonTX]

Let me ask you guys something. I do a protocol of Monday and Thursday mornings for T injections at 60 mgs each time. So after Monday I have to wait 3 days for the next one, and after Thursday I have to wait 4 days. Is that OK? Or does it really have to be exactly 3.5 days each time. I was doing E3D for a short while.

Every 3.5 days is ideal. It doesn't have exact. Life happens, and it won't be exact all the time. You should aim to get as close as possible though, especially if estradiol management is your goal

 

[HoustonTX]

If I start injecting everything every 3.5 days which is easy just something I haven't been doing because doc never told me.....when should I take my anastrozole? I have been doing .25 on Wednesday.....should I keep that the same until e2 test comes back?

I would keep everything the same, until your test come back. You don't want to change to much at once. This balancing act of when to take your anastrozole after or before your injection and never seeing to keep my E2 consistent is why I decided finally to lower my test dosage and get rid of the anastrozole. The jury is still out on me, though. I just started this process 3-4 weeks ago. I need bw, but I feel better and morning wood is back every morning

I wouldn't change anything you are doing right now, though, other than getting your injections in at a regular 3.5 days. After that, you might want to consider changing your hcg dosage. I'd talk to your doc before doing that. Unfortunately, my experience is that most docs aren't well informed, and I've been my best advocate. Vince said he's on 160mgs a week. Nelson is on 100 I believe. But, everyone is different

 

[Maximus220rr]

Houston thanks for the info.
Really quick question and I won't bother u anymore today lol.
Should I take my hcg shots same day as test shots?
Thanks
This week I will be keep things the Same just doing the 3.5 day routine until e2 comes back

 

[ERO]

ERO, yes I do understand. But if I'm not having morning erections, isn't that a sign of high E2? Also, Where does the T/E ration of 14-20 come from?

Low E2 kills 'morning wood' as fast or faster than high E2. (That sucks, it would be so much easier to diagnose if low E2 and high E2 both did not have that symptom in common) The T to E ratio ideal range of between 14-20. This is something that Nelson came up with after much research and many of us on the forum now feel better for following the ratio instead of a static E2 number.

That said, everybody is different and you may be very, very sensitive to E2 and need a lower E2 level than most to feel optimal.

 

[Vince]

Vince
If u do your protocol every 3.5 days isn't there weeks that u inject 3 times that week?
I didn't know if that is overload?
Thanks

I inject every Sunday night and Thursday mornings.

 

[lcvl]

This balancing act of when to take your anastrozole after or before your injection and never seeing to keep my E2 consistent is why I decided finally to lower my test dosage and get rid of the anastrozole. The jury is still out on me, though. I just started this process 3-4 weeks ago. I need bw, but I feel better and morning wood is back every morning

HoustonTX, I'd like to know more about your story/TRT progression. I feel I'm in a very similar situation and thinking about how to proceed.

 

[HoustonTX]

HoustonTX, I'd like to know more about your story/TRT progression. I feel I'm in a very similar situation and thinking about how to proceed.

I have been on TRT for 2 almost 3 years now. My doc prescribed me 200MG of test a week. I felt great for about the first 3 months then I started having side effect and got bloodwork indicating high E2...in the 60-70 range, So I asked for Arimidex. I had asked for HCG at one time, but the price at a pharmacy made it not feasible. So, I had been buying it online. I had been taking the test cyp every 3.5 days and 250ius along with that. This was all to homework I myself....nothing my doc helped with. I started taking .25mg of Arimidex twice a week. My E2 would stay centered for a while and then go off...mostly too high. I played around with when I took my Arimidex and would stick to that scheduled for 6-8 weeks, but it always eventual got my E2 off. When my E2 is OK, I feel great and sex and erectile function is great. When it is too high, I feel off. I have a high libido, but erectile function is not good and need cialis to function. I also get extremely tired every once in a while. When it E2 is too low, ear tile function is fine but I feel miserable and lose sensitivity. It just seems like the good E2 window is a constantly moving target. I cannot get labs done daily. As it is, I have gotten them as often as once a months or every couple of weeks to confirm how I felt with blood work

 

[HoustonTX]

As far as physique, endurance and recovery time, TRT has been great. I lift what the heavy lifters in the gym lift. The girls that I have gone out with and their friends always compliment me. I am at a true 10% be and have been lower. However, the E2 window never stays even when I keep the same protocol. I would rather not take cialis if I don't have too, and physically I don't. I can function just fine with out it. But, I am constantly guessing whether my E2 may have crept up too high and need it just in case.

 

[Loki]

As far as physique, endurance and recovery time, TRT has been great. I lift what the heavy lifters in the gym lift. The girls that I have gone out with and their friends always compliment me. I am at a true 10% be and have been lower. However, the E2 window never stays even when I keep the same protocol. I would rather not take cialis if I don't have too, and physically I don't. I can function just fine with out it. But, I am constantly guessing whether my E2 may have crept up too high and need it just in case.

From what I am reading from the Nitric stack and other threads Cialis has many other benefit as well... I am not on a daily regimen yet but I will be Monday.... I am all for increasing the boner from a 7.5 to a 9.0 and up as well .... It's expense is the only drawback I see...

 

[Vince Carter]

not a big deal with Cypionate only, especially if you've been doing it awhile with its' 8 day half life

There's some debatable information there but if an 8 day or more half-life were reality, no one would feel the need to inject E3.5D. That's not debatable. SHBG is going to play a MUCH larger factor in dosing frequency than the half-life of Cyp ever will.