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At 1000iu EOD I was at approximately 950 total T, 60 E2

Yep! Got them 12 days later. Never ever has taken more than 3 days. Not sure why this happened this time.

I used Discounted Labs to get total T, free T, and estradiol ultra sensitive labs. The total T and free T came back within 3 days, but I’m still waiting on estradiol. It just says “In Progress,” which is ridiculous. It has never taken this long. It has now been one week since the test was done...

Did you do any lab work? You should do labs to see if anything changed. Could have been E2 going up, but 1000iu per week of HCG isn’t too excessive.

I think you are right also! Just posting to get some confirmation on if it’s really necessary. I know it’s needed after T injections, but not sure if after HCG it’s necessary.

Indeed…the 2800iu per week has definitely boosted T levels, and also increased E2. But overall feel really, really good. I was doing 1000iu EOD, but I switched to daily 400iu to try to promote more stable levels. @Nelson Vergel So when I stop taking the HCG, will my natural LH production come...

I’d like a firm answer on this one as well. I’m currently using HCG only. I’m doing 400iu DAILY, and my TT levels went from 500 to almost 900. E2 went from 19 to 48. I feel amazing honestly.

Most of the fertility protocols with HCG that I've seen have included even larger doses of HCG than I'm doing. Some of them were as high as 3000-5000iu EOD! Crazy stuff haha. Regarding FSH...I will add HMG later on if the HCG doesn't seem to do the trick on it's own. I'm considering also...

Actually I felt no real change at all. Also, I just changed my HCG dosing from 1000iu 3x/week to 425iu DAILY. So far, I'm feeling like this smaller, but more frequent dose is causing less feelings of E2 peaking.

What effects would be you be so concerned about with DIM?

Can you explain your reluctance to use DIM a bit more here please? Anti-androgenic? What's the concern?

Ah...see THIS is what I was looking for and hoping to understand. So with HCG, even taking an AI like arimidex still likely won't cause E2 crash, because with HCG atomization is occurring in the testicle itself. Is that correct? So will any reasonable amount of AI ever bring down my E2 while...

So does a compound like adex or DIM still help to lower E2 if that E2 is generated by means of HCG monotherapy? Or do those compounds only address E2 if the E2 spikes were caused by exogenous testosterone injections?

Fantastic info and fantastic news I likely won’t feel ill effects on my dose. One thing though…does it matter than I’m on HCG only? I read that the E2 levels raised by HCG are “different” than by testosterone. I couldn’t make much sense out of it. I will certainly be getting some DIM tomorrow...

But I’ve taken one single dose…one…of .25mg. You said you were taking it daily. Doesn’t that make a big difference? I’ve taken one single dose of .25mg, and I’m not taking another. I will def research more on DIM instead! Do you have a recommended dose?

Is this really saying that it reduces estradiol by 70% after just 24 hours? So if you have an E2 of 20, and you take .25mg of adex, you’ll have an E2 of only 6? That can’t be correct.

After doing a bit more reading…it seems adex only goes after “aromataze enzyme.” So does that mean it doesn’t actually reduce my current E2 in my body? The way I read it, it will only prevent further production of E2, not diminish the current E2. Is that correct, or am I totally misunderstanding?

Well, I only took the .25mg a couple hours ago. So far I feel totally fine. If anything, my nipples feel “sensitive” again lol. But could be nothing.

You don’t know what it means to crash one’s E2?? Looking forward to my labs coming back too!

These were symptoms I was experiencing BEFORE I took the .25mg anastrozole. I took the .25mg about an hour ago. I don’t really feel any different. I took anastrozole years ago while on a full TRT protocol and it didn’t crash me. So I don’t think I’m any sort of hyper-responder…but that’s when I...

I’m on HCG monotherapy. Mostly for fertility, but also loving the testosterone boost. My doctor decided to put me on 1000iu 3x per week. I started feeling sensitive (not painful) nipples. They aren’t sore, they’re just sensitive and they’re very hard often. No tissue growth. I also noticed my...

I wish I could take Clomid. Years ago I took it, and within 2 weeks I developed visual side effects. I still have floaters to this day that never went away. I was taking a very very low dose and it still happened:/ With enclomiphene, I have no idea where to buy the REAL stuff. So many of these...

@madman thanks for your insight here. I didn’t think my FT was low. Isn’t it within range? Is that lab range not the best to go off of? I do have a history of high SHBG, yes. I’m assuming I likely still have high SHBG. Based on labwork, I am back at baseline TT and FT levels, yes. But my...

I’m just starting HCG. I did it for 3-4 weeks when I came off Test injections, but that’s it. I’m doing 1000iu 3x per week now, and hoping for the best. I stopped because I never really could get dialed-in properly. Just easier to quit entirely…but now I’m left with smell nuts and very very low...

Do these look concerning or look like I didn’t recover somewhere? @madman

Just got lab results back from Quest. Total T: 550 (250-827 ng/dL) Free T: 53 (46-224 pg/mL) FSH: 4.3 (1.4 - 12.8 mIU/mL) LH: 3.2 (1.5 - 9.3 mIU/mL) Estradiol ultra sensitive: 20 PSA: 1.07 DHT: 43 (12-65 ng/dL)

Wow…5000 iu of HCG 3x per week. Wow! How high did your Test and E2 levels get on that dose? Your cheaper supply…are you US-based? How did you find this for so cheap? Pregnyl costs almost $300 for a 10k vial here.

What brands are reliable from this site? I've seen some of these exact brands lab tested showing they are drastically under-dosed.

What is the dose on your HCG? .25cc could be anything depending on how you mixed it.

Thanks for your reply. What was your “high dose” of HCG? How many IU and how many times per week? Were you using Pregnyl from a pharmacy, or some other brand of HCG that’s cheaper? Also, what HMG dose were you doing? Any other meds at all like an AI or anything? Also, did you inject your HCG...

2 years ago I came off TRT. For recovery, I took Toremifene at 60mg for 2 weeks, then 30mg for 4 weeks. Leading up to that I took HCG and also HMG. Clomid always messes me up…I did it 8 years ago and it gave me permanent eye floaters that I still have today. My testicles are still atrophied...