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And you were on the same T dose back then? From my experience 500 iu hcg is too much and will cause that face bloat/eye issue. You shouldn’t exp that with 250iu hcg

Oh ok, are you still experiencing the eye/face thing at this dosage?

What is your T dose? 1/2 ML meaning 100mg?

800-1000. Over 1200 my workouts suffer as well as my V02 max.....I basically feel out of shape and feel like I cant get into shape if I am over 1200.

Rockyo317.....I have had this puffy face/eye issue arise when my estrogen is too low or too high and/or my test is too high. You should check your levels after another few weeks on your protocol. What is you T dose protocol? And are you taking an estrogen blocker?

Dr Crisler's strategy approach is the key for sure. The half life info is good, however my experience with multiple doses IM per week versus one single dose is that the same amount split into 2 IM doses per week builds to a much higher T level than once weekly. For instance, when I took 200 mg...

Do you have to normally adjust the dose when going from IM to SQ? The one time I exp with SQ, my levels were higher than the same IM dose. Thanks

I agree. Anastrozole seemed to start knocking my levels way too low around the 8-10 week mark. Be careful with that stuff. I feel stiff like I am 90 years old regardless of how much Anastrozole I take and estrogen levels are at while on it. Avoid that stuff if you can

How much cream and injection have you experimented with and are you using dhea, pregnoline and arimidex. Thanks for all of the feedback

I have experimented with many injection protocols from 1x weekly to 2x weekly with and without arimidex and they work for a while and then I go downhill. The main reason is that I do not like the change in the face area that injections seem to give when combining with hcg. The area on either...

Start on what day after injection?

I searched everywhere with no luck. If one is on weekly 200 T and would like to transition to daily 200mg transdermal, would I start the 200mg TD on day 8 after last injection? Or would I use a gradual increase scale starting day 8 with a TD smaller dose.

In your experience, do TD's and QOD shots build overtime like the less frequent application protocols?

Nelson, I assume this is why you are on such a low dose of Test Cyp (50 mg twice per week) after experimenting for the last 20 years? Also, do you take daily DIM, DHEA and Pregnolone with your Test/HCG twice weekly protocol?

Good gosh, this has been my whole issue for the last 7 years on TRT. I have read books, forums,etc and no mention of this. Everything works at first and then I feel bad after about 6-8 weeks because all of the medications (Test, HCG, Arimidex) build to higher levels. Does daily compounded...

Are the majority of your patients that are using creams supplementing with DHEA, Pregnolone and HCG without an AI?

No problem and thanks again for the guidance:) Have a good evening and thanks for taking the time to help.

I already agreed with you and said thanks so stop wasting your time and move one....geez

LOL, I was overcomplicating it because I was trying to use a new needle as the rubber stop seems to dull the needle::) and I had 100 26 gauge 3/8 inch needles that needed to be used. I have been taking less than subscribed due to twice weekly injections of .3 which has really been .2 by...

So you are saying draw with a 27g 1/2 inch syringe to the correct measurement line, pull it out of the T bottle stopper, then draw the remaining T in the needle into the body of the syringe, then replace it with a new 27 gauge 1/2 inch needle and plunge air out::)? Sorry, I am overcomplicating I...

Yes because my 18 gauge needle will not fit on my 26 gauge syringe so I backfill that and my hcg since I draw hcg out with an insulin syringe. So if I were to draw out with no dead space in needle and syringe and then backfill another string to the correct line, then there is still T oil left...

Also different gauges and length of needles could mean different amounts.....does the string account for this? I don't think so

When you draw out of the bottle and push the overage amount back in to get to the correct measurement line, this leaves you with T oil in the tip and needle. In other words I fill a fresh syringe with T oil by removing the needle and tip and squirting it down the top to the correct measured...

Folks, I have noticed that quite a bit of the T cypionate can be in the needle and tip when you draw it out. So do you measure on the syringe with the needle and tip full? If I am measuring without needle and tip full then .3 (60 mg) would actually be .4 (80 mg) with needle and tip full???? Thanks

Vince, what is your zinc protocol. Would like to try since your estrogen is in tact without AI.....Have you always used the zinc protocol to control estrogen? or was it under control before taking zinc?

Good feedback Vince.

Did you successfully get off of TRT? I am so frustrated I may try that::) Either my joints/body hurt and I feel like a 90 year old when trying any amount of arimidex or I my face is disfigured from HCG or I only feel good for a little while taking only test......

Any other guys experience erectile dys function on hcg? I use 500iu mwf Test cup 200 IM 1xwk and .5 arimidex mon and Thur. I have tried every dose from subq twice weekly of test, etc and the only thing that brings back the erections is stopping the hcg......but then after several weeks I start...

These bags are usually due to low estrogen.