Testosterone propionate supposedly the best ester?

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Wolverine said:
What is the best time for drawing labs when using Prop daily? Do we want peak (X hours post injection) or nadir (prior to injection)? Thanks! I'm taking 15mg daily first thing in the morning (about 7:30am).
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I personally like to test both peak and trough levels on Test Prop. It's such a short ester that it creates variations typically (it seems, based on most of the anecdotal data I've seen) much greater than natural variation in T levels even for a young man.

I think @Cataceous or/and @Readalot predicted peak levels around 3-4 hours post injection for Prop. I personally drew bloods 6 and 24 hours post injection and saw a drop of ~50% in TT and FT levels, which for me was valuable to know.

If you're only going to test one, it just depends on what you want to see; one's not better than the other, they'll just tell you different things.
 
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joikd said:
For about the last year, I've been doing 20mg testosterone acetate daily in the mornings along with 500iu of HCG every other day. I have been a sex machine. That desire deep down to attack my girlfriend all day, every day is there. That's pretty much what I've been looking for since starting TRT in my early 30's (I'm now 50). Anyway, I've tried different esters and protocols, but this is the only protocol so far where the great sex drive results have stuck around. So, for me acetate is where it's at as of now. But, I needed that dose of HCG as well. It took both to get back to the young animal I used to be.
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What site are you getting this from?? Please DM me if you don’t mind. Thanks
 
FunkOdyssey said:
Yes - it's actually been 25 mg a day for the last couple months. Feeling good aside from sexual stuff that I'm still working on. I'm experimenting with DHT gel now for that.
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I wonder if you would feel better if you dropped your test prop dose down to 7.5mg in the morning and then applied something like 50mg trans-scrotal test cream at night, or reverse the order?
Maybe that way you could avoid taking any cialis.
 
FunkOdyssey said:
Yes - it's actually been 25 mg a day for the last couple months. Feeling good aside from sexual stuff that I'm still working on. I'm experimenting with DHT gel now for that.
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Are you still finding that sexual function is better on test prop as oppose to test E and Test C? What about quality of sleep and estrogen sides:)?
 
Forty2 said:
I wonder if you would feel better if you dropped your test prop dose down to 7.5mg in the morning and then applied something like 50mg trans-scrotal test cream at night, or reverse the order?
Maybe that way you could avoid taking any cialis.
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First, I am not able to use testosterone cream, because it somehow causes severe indigestion/GERD symptoms. I thought it was the high DHT that was responsible, until I started experimenting with pure DHT, which does not cause it. My suspicion now is that it's actually a high spike of free E2 caused by the cream.

The sexual dysfunction I'm dealing with is lifelong and I believe stems from accutane use in my late teens, possibly compounded by SSRI use as well. I'm a hard case in this area, so I am not surprised or disappointed when various TRT protocols that work for most men fail to move the needle on the sexual stuff.

I used low doses of testosterone like 70 mg weekly for some months when I first began my TRT journey. My absolute worst sexual function on TRT occurred with a protocol of 10 mg cypionate daily. Things have improved with higher dosing and different esters.

Best sexual function occurred on scrotal test cream which is why I'm experimenting with DHT now.
 
RotnGun said:
Are you still finding that sexual function is better on test prop as oppose to test E and Test C? What about quality of sleep and estrogen sides:)?
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It's probably not too different from test E right now but certainly better than test C, although I was never able to dose cypionate above like 80-something mg weekly due to intolerable side effects with that ester.

Sleep is good with prop and estrogen sides have strangely disappeared. I'm actually running labs soon because I want to try to understand what happened there, if I am aromatizing less or just adapted to high E or what. Some of the high E sides I'm used to, including oily skin and feeling more emotional, are gone. I did lose a bit of fat but probably not enough to make a big difference.

The exact opposite thing happens to some men on prop, like JeraJera, who has more aromatization and more E2 sides on short vs long esters. Unfortunately, all of this individual variation severely limits the value of anecdotes like mine - there's not much useful you can learn from my experience that will apply to anyone else.

Anyone with enough interest to read this thread should simply try prop themselves instead of reading about it. Actually, I think anyone who can stand daily injections should try it. There's a significant chance it will be better than the long esters, but there's only one way to find out if that will be true for you.
 
FunkOdyssey said:
First, I am not able to use testosterone cream, because it somehow causes severe indigestion/GERD symptoms. I thought it was the high DHT that was responsible, until I started experimenting with pure DHT, which does not cause it. My suspicion now is that it's actually a high spike of free E2 caused by the cream.

The sexual dysfunction I'm dealing with is lifelong and I believe stems from accutane use in my late teens, possibly compounded by SSRI use as well. I'm a hard case in this area, so I am not surprised or disappointed when various TRT protocols that work for most men fail to move the needle on the sexual stuff.

I used low doses of testosterone like 70 mg weekly for some months when I first began my TRT journey. My absolute worst sexual function on TRT occurred with a protocol of 10 mg cypionate daily. Things have improved with higher dosing and different esters.

Best sexual function occurred on scrotal test cream which is why I'm experimenting with DHT now.
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I'm in exactly the same boat, having taken Accutane for 2 years as a teenager and very high dose SSRI (Prozac) for 3 straight years!
My 2 main issues are delayed ejaculation and low libido. I found that hCG helped both symptoms but testosterone enathate/cypionate made ithem worse after the initial honeymoon period.
 
Forty2 said:
I'm in exactly the same boat, having taken Accutane for 2 years as a teenager and very high dose SSRI (Prozac) for 3 straight years!
My 2 main issues are delayed ejaculation and low libido. I found that hCG helped both symptoms but testosterone enathate/cypionate made ithem worse after the initial honeymoon period.
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I am also a member of the post Accutane club.

Regarding your comment about enanthate/cypionate...what doses/lab results did you experiment with? The reason I ask is because I've only experienced improvements while at higher levels.
 
HSLD said:
I am also a member of the post Accutane club.

Regarding your comment about enanthate/cypionate...what doses/lab results did you experiment with? The reason I ask is because I've only experienced improvements while at higher levels.
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I started off on 40mg every 3.5 days, then experimented with 50mg every 3.5 days for a short time.
I definitely felt better on the lower dose. If I were to experiment again, I'd try 35mg test enanthate every 3 days along with 350iu hCG.
Did you guys who took accutane in your teenage years look very young in the face before starting TRT? I'm pretty sure that low testosterone for many years has a preservation effect on the face. When I was 30 I looked 20 and when I was 40 I looked about 28, despite my skin being very dry.
 
Forty2 said:
I started off on 40mg every 3.5 days, then experimented with 50mg every 3.5 days for a short time.
I definitely felt better on the lower dose. If I were to experiment again, I'd try 35mg test enanthate every 3 days along with 350iu hCG.
Did you guys who took accutane in your teenage years look very young in the face before starting TRT? I'm pretty sure that low testosterone for many years has a preservation effect on the face. When I was 30 I looked 20 and when I was 40 I looked about 28, despite my skin being very dry.
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Young like boyish vs old like masculine (less subcutaneous fat), I think this is a confounder
 
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Seagal said:
Young like boyish vs old like masculine (less subcutaneous fat), I think this is a confounder
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Yes.
Does TRT result in less facial fat?
The increase in DHT appears to make the face more masculine and less boyish.
I bet Tom Cruise has low DHT as he still has a boyish face at age 60!
 
Forty2 said:
Did you guys who took accutane in your teenage years look very young in the face before starting TRT? I'm pretty sure that low testosterone for many years has a preservation effect on the face. When I was 30 I looked 20 and when I was 40 I looked about 28, despite my skin being very dry.
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No, however, I drove a Miata with the top down and no sunscreen for about five years from age 33-38, which drastically accelerated my skin aging. My wife warned me that would happen and urged me to wear sun block. I ignored her and here we are, with deep forehead lines and etc.
 
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