aloetard
Unofficial Disciple of Cataceous
My bad...pharmacokinetic profile. What steroid plotter tries to provide.
Testosterone propionate supposedly the best ester?
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Yes true is all shite but just as a rough idea
I didn't understand how it went from big spikes daily to almost being flat with test prop
And what their logic was behind it
But for sure you can't standardised peoples individual dose response I completely understand that
FunkOdyssey
Seeker of Wisdom
It's completely and obviously wrong now. I switched to using steroidplanner.com, whose graphs pass my reality checks:
That's exactly what I did
I just don't understand cortex labs faith in steroid plotter
As it seems highly inaccurate especially for daily prop it's reads like steroid planner with daily cypionate but even less of a peak and valley
No way prop is so stable
aloetard
Unofficial Disciple of Cataceous
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Here's the problem:
If you go to their Google sheet where they keep the PK parameters you can see for Test Prop that their Tmax value is larger than t0.5. That creates the issue with Test Prop (I've detailed the approximate PK parameters for Test Prop where Tmax is probably close to 5 hrs).
In short, the creators of SteroidPlotter don't understand math too well and in trying to fudge absorption behavior with Tmax value they ended up f'n the tool up for Test Prop.
See here. Tmax isn't necessarily 1 day; it was just the first data point in the set
Trans scrotal testosterone cream application is a game changer
You got a link to those papers? Was just pulling one from 1890s the other day unrelated to this topic. So nice we have so much digitized. Much easier now than the good ole days. Maybe that is why my TT/fT is so low, I am not climbing the stairs at the health science library as much as I used to.
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FunkOdyssey
Seeker of Wisdom
I feel like if you wanted to do some entrepreneurial stuff on the side, you could create some useful tools for the testosterone enthusiast community, like more accurate graphing of protocols, more accurate estimations of serum levels, etc. I'm sure you would do a better job than all existing versions of these.
aloetard
Unofficial Disciple of Cataceous
Thank you for the kind endorsement. I've done a piss poor job putting out a public version of the reasonable PK models I have put together over the years to visualize all this stuff. At first the hurdle was concern about any metadata I might let slip in an excel file passed onto the forums. But realistically this type of tool should be released on a website.
I don't have an excuse for not giving the community something better other than my day jobs take up most of my time. Your point is well taken though; if I take 10% of the time I make silly comments on here and instead use that time to make a usable tool for the community, that would be a more valuable use of time lol.
aloetard
Unofficial Disciple of Cataceous
Actually going back and looking at my post, if you take the Nieschlag data at face value then Tmax should be at most 12 hr. No idea how they came up with Tmax over 24 hr. I'd have to look at the paper they reference.
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Yeah you're right! You should do free work for a bunch of internet randos. That is your calling.
aloetard
Unofficial Disciple of Cataceous
Every time I get the grand idea of doing something like this I go speak with the AAS users at my gym. That quickly cures me of any grandiose thinking. They don't take kindly to using any "fancy" language.
Appreciate you talking me off the ledge more than once. Really.
FunkOdyssey
Seeker of Wisdom
Who said anything about free? The man's gotta eat.
So it dissolves in just oil?
FunkOdyssey
Seeker of Wisdom
Yes. You don't need solvents to dissolve testosterone esters in oil. You only need solvents to dissolve them at higher concentrations.
Haven’t watched this yet, but what happened to him doing enanthate?
And when ur dosing of an AAS is higher, while using a fast ester, even when levels dip, they’re still gonna be on the highish end, so I would assume that spacing say test prop out EOD, when using very high dosages, would be fine, again due to levels still being high, even while they’re dipping down. Compared to using a fast ester at low to moderate dosages EOD, u might not be able to get away with EOD injections, due to the dips causing levels to drop into a hypogonadal range. So ED injections of fast esters might be more preferable when using lower dosages. Again, haven’t watched the vid yet, so this might be completely irrelevant to what his reasonings are
Is he really doing 700mg/ week now??
And ya the guys that need 200mg/ week, or higher, to feel and function optimally, on HRT, are going to be the outliers, from what I’ve seen. Seems like the hefty majority of men function optimally on around 75-150mg/ week. Obv that’s generalizing, but that’s just what I’ve seen over all these years. Many will need 200mg/ week to feel their best, but above that is definitely going to be a small minority, as far as the dosage they need to feel and function optimally goes. Again, just from what I’ve seen during my time in the HRT space. So I’m not sure where he’s getting this whole “many men will need upwards of 300-350mg/ week to feel and function optimally”
Wow. I thought 500mg/ day was him kind of going off the rails. Not sure what his rationale for 700mg/ week could be. I’ll have to catch up on his vids when I get the chance
FunkOdyssey
Seeker of Wisdom
He's stated that he's doing a cycle, there's no pretense of HRT currently. He was getting "test flu" he says with the enanthate over 500 mg and switched back to prop because he tolerates it better.
Gocha. Thanks for the cliff notes update
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