I kinda miss that crazy high libido I used to get when my testosterone levels were up. Does that feeling fade over time? I've heard guys on TRT say they feel super driven at first, but then that intense libido starts to wear off. Is that true?
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FunkOdyssey
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Yes, in most cases it wears off. It's called the honeymoon period, and it occurs because your brain is being flooded with dopamine beyond what you're used to. Eventually, your dopamine receptors downregulate - the brain will only permit you to feel hypomanic for so long before it tries to return to homeostasis. The new baseline will be better than unmedicated if you were hypogonadal, but you cannot maintain the initial honeymoon indefinitely.
This process happens in reverse when you come off cycle: you feel worse than normal, with a relative deficiency of dopamine signaling, until everything adjusts again. This is why cycling is so ill-advised and self-destructive for someone in your position.
What goes up, must come down.
Phil Goodman
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I may not be the best person to chime in because my libido was never an issue prior to trt. Sure it went up and down like everyone else, but overall I’d say I had a very healthy sex drive. It did go up initially and is still high, but it usually isn’t as increased as it was in my first few months of trt. That being said, it still goes up and down and I have sex multiple times per week. And as someone with experience, I’d even say I’d prefer to have ebbs and flows because constantly walking around like a 13 year old who is fixated on sex 90% of the time is distracting and takes away from other aspects of life. If you’re in a relationship it’s important to remember that the sexual aspect of it is something to constantly work on in order to maintain the level you want. I’d also say avoiding porn and/or constant relief from masturbation will help, because as you refrain from it your drive will naturally increase most of the time.
So to answer your question, your drive will not sustain the initial peak but will likely remain above your current baseline most of the time. And there are other lifestyle choices you can make to help it stay at a level that is best for you personally.
DixieWrecked
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I don't think 350mg of test is going to have you looking good. I've tried the higher dosages and my face looked old. I retained water. Looked tired probably because my sleep suffered. I actually look much healthier on a normal dose. If you want to look goodit may be worth trying a normal dose of test and a small dose of aanother compound. A little bit of anavar can be prescribed by clinics. So can nandrolone but if your mental health is bad then i'd avoid.
Systemlord
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You're talking about short-term results. So by your logic, you recently started smoking two pack of cigarettes per day or becoming an alcoholic is fine because you don't have symptoms of chronic disease?
You bodies biology will change as you get older and what you can tolerate now, this likely won't be the case down the road. Overloading hormonal pathways may not present with symptoms right away and make take years, or even decades to develop.
Systemlord
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The body when deficient will create more dopamine/testosterone receptors and when dopamine/testosterone is restored to normal, the body will down regulate because the body was never meant to operate in this fashion.
You have body builders that are forced to return to normal hormone levels because their bodies are getting older and can't operate at previous insanely high hormone levels. They return to normal levels but feel like they have low levels. That's because their receptors are upregulated and are stuck in this state and or short-circuited their hormone pathways.
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I think you misunderstood me. I'm getting tested for a full blood count, kidney and liver function, lipid panel, and hormone levels — specifically testosterone, estradiol, DHT, and prolactin. These tests will be done every three weeks.
I'm also using Avodart for hair loss. I asked a doctor about it, and he said that taking 350 mg of testosterone per week likely wouldn’t lead to hair loss or prostate issues since I'm already on Avodart.
@Nelson Vergel Does my plan seem solid to you?
Systemlord
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So your on an endocrine disruptor, very risky, especially considering we know what will happen long term. The average person only concerns themselves with short term results, having no foresight whatsoever.
Avodart decreases DHT which contributes to hair loss and testosterone converts to DHT and therefore I don't have much faith in your doctor.
Avodart also hides prostate cancer making it undetectable making anyone using it akin to playing with fire!
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There's no misunderstanding on my part.
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Just to be clear — he’s talking about using high testosterone for 12 weeks. He’s not saying you can run high test long term just because you’re on Avodart.So your on an endocrine disruptor, very risky, especially considering we know what will happen long term. The average person only concerns themselves with short term results, having no foresight whatsoever.
Avodart decreases DHT which contributes to hair loss and testosterone converts to DHT and therefore I don't have much faith in your doctor.
Avodart also hides prostate cancer making it undetectable making anyone using it akin to playing with fire!
Health Risks Associated with Long-Term Finasteride and Dutasteride Use: It's Time to Sound the Alarm
Traish AM. World J Mens Health. 2020 Jul;38(3):323-337. https://doi.org/10.5534/wjmh.200012wjmh.org
There's no misunderstanding on my part.
Phil Goodman
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How long have you been on Avodart? It’s possible that it is causing or contributing to your issues.
I’ve been on Avodart for 4 months now. No, I had the same issues even before starting it.
FunkOdyssey
Seeker of Wisdom
Dutasteride sure as hell isn't going to help someone dealing with depression, anxiety, low libido and lack of energy. At least you are consistent though: whenever you are at a fork in the road, where you can accept some risks and some harm to potentially improve your looks, you say, "yes please!"
You kind of talk like you know everything. Avodart didn’t mess with my energy levels at all — in fact, I actually feel better on it.
Phil Goodman
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Hmmm, suppressing your DHT made you feel better….that’s a pretty rare thing. Also, it seems odd that you are so concerned about health you’re willing to get blood tests every three weeks, yet you’re willing to take Avodart and also excessively large doses of test. If you just want to build muscle there are better options. If you want to feel better long term you should go with lower doses.
You have recieved lots of input here, yet you seem to disregard it and still plan to go ahead with your original plan. If that’s the case then just go ahead and see how it goes. I’d be interested to hear reports from your journey though.
Systemlord
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I’ve heard some reports that people feel better on DHT blockers. I wonder how long that will last.
madman
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What is it that you are having a hard time trying to understand here?
350 mg T/week is not a therapeutic dose and has absolutely nothing to do with hormone replacement.
Even if your sole purpose was to gain muscle/increase strength as you should very well know there is no such thing as a one and done as it would be a lifelong commitment if you plan on gaining let alone maintaining that fake chemically enhanced build.
You know that chemically enhanced look that one could never achieve let alone maintain natty.
Again this is a men's health/HRT forum!
I have chronic depression and anxiety. What I’m doing is related to my mental health. Looking good helps reduce my depression and anxiety.
My doctor said everyone is different and that if I had the test done at 6 AM, the levels might be much higher—but I’m dealing with motivation and libido issues. I’m also not very energetic, although that could be due to the depression as well.
Banging 350 mg T/week for 8-12 weeks let alone cycling; or blasting/cruising high doses of T is definitely not the solution here!
You are setting yourself up for failure!
Even if it turns out that you have a low/borderline FT and you decided to jump on TTh and get your FT level into a healthy let alone high-end range using therapeutic doses of T (100-200 mg/week) there is much more to the story when looking at the bigger picture here!
Most will see some degree of improvements in energ,y mood, libido, erectile function and body composition (increased muscle/strength/fat loss) and increased recovery to boot when following a proper diet/trainining protocol.
One can easily achieve a fit healthy looking physique using therapeutic doses of T and if you are blessed with good genetics you can look jacked,
Keep in mind many other factors come into play here when it comes to the overall effectiveness of your T-therapy protocol (thyroid, adrenals, cardiovascular health, stress, sleep, diet) you get the point.
Any dysfunction thyroid/adrenals can easily mimic symptoms of low T.
Now when it comes to relying on T to treat depression let alone low libido/erectile function you need to understand that having healthy T, DHT and estradiol levels are important but high T or better yet FT let alone DHT are not needed.
My reply from a previous thread regarding depression, libido and erectile function.
When it comes to libido let alone erectile dysfunction they are multifactorial.
Having healthy testosterone levels is beneficial to one's libido/erectile function but it is far from the only thing that is required to achieve such.
Much more involved than just having healthy testosterone levels.
Thyroid/adrenals, neurotransmitters, stress (mental/physical), quality of sleep, diet/insulin sensitivity let alone underlying vascular health can all have a big impact on one's libido/erectile function.
Unfortunately, libido/ED is much more complex than simply having healthy testosterone levels.
Suffering from depression can easily put a hamper on one's libido let alone contribute to ED.
Although trt can improve anhedonia, mild-moderate depression, anxiety, and overall well-being it is highly doubtful that it will have a big impact on treating MDD.
Keep in mind that even men with healthy testosterone levels can still suffer from mild, moderate, or severe depression.
Look over this thread!
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madman
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You are on the wrong forum!
Why are you so upset? Even Nelson Vergel talks about other steroids on this forum.
DixieWrecked
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You are a novice and don't come off as respectful to either the members of the forum or to the compounds you are taking.
Cycling anabolics for mental health is stupid.
Even for gym gains, in my opinion and experience, cycling is less effective in the long run than just staying natural.
Hopefully this helps.
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