Trt doses

[Goddar]

Hi guys!

My actual trt protocol is 20mg/day test cyp suba and after 16 hours of the last shot thats are my levels. I control my hematocrit and my hdl is in 40s so everything is right. But my total t levels are not in the high rank. Im wonderin if i increase the dose to 25/27mg/day i would experience more positive effects in muscle development. I train 5 days a week and follow and hipercaloric diet. So my question is that if i put the levels in the high rank i would notice some effects, because now im trt so i think is better to optimice at most. Your experiencies worth a lot

 

[madman]

Hi guys!

My actual trt protocol is 20mg/day test cyp suba and after 16 hours of the last shot thats are my levels. I control my hematocrit and my hdl is in 40s so everything is right. But my total t levels are not in the high rank. Im wonderin if i increase the dose to 25/27mg/day i would experience more positive effects in muscle development. I train 5 days a week and follow and hipercaloric diet. So my question is that if i put the levels in the high rank i would notice some effects, because now im trt so i think is better to optimice at most. Your experiencies worth a lot

On your current protocol 20 mg TC daily (140 mg T/week) even though you are hitting a not so stellar TT 498.9 ng/dL with low SHBG 14.6 nmol/L your cFTV 15.2 ng/dL is healthy.

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Most healthy young males are hitting a cFTV 13-15 ng/dL and this is a daily short-lived peak!

You are hitting a cFTV 15.2 ng/dL 16 hours post-injection.

You should have had your blood work done 24 hrs post-injection but even then seeing as you are injecting TC daily you are clipping the peak-->trough big time compared to injecting once or twice-weekly!

Do you have room to increase your TT or more importantly FT most definitely if you goal is to hit a high FT 20-25 ng/dL!

Things to keep in mind is how do you feel overall (energy, mood, libido, erectile function, recovery) on your current protocol?

Even though I already have a good idea from your previous thread on the forum another thing that needs to be kept in mind when driving up your FT further is where does your RBCs, hemoglobin and hematocrit sit as these are critical blood markers.

It is a given that driving up your FT (trough/steady-state) will drive up these blood markers!

Whether starting TTh or tweaking a protocol (increasing weekly dose of T) hematocrit will increase within the 1st month and can take anywhere from 6-9 months or in some cases up to a year to reach peak levels.

If you feel great overall then I would tread lightly on driving up your FT as it can easily backfire and have a negative impact on ibido and erectile function let alone mood due to hammering the shit out of your dopamine let alone T has a tonic effect on the CNS and can easily make one feel amped up which can make susceptible individuals more anxious/agitated/amped up.

Is there a chance you may feel even better.....sure!

The only way to know would be through trial and error but always need to keep in mind that running to high a steady-state/trough FT can be just as bad in many ways as running too low a FT especially when it comes to libido and erectile function let alone elevated hematocrit!

It's a f**king myth that one needs high FT to have healthy libido/erectile function spread by all those sheep stuck on that more T is better/needed mentality being spewed on those so called men's health/HRT forums!

You stated in your first thread on the forum:

High hematocrit risk

Hey guys ! Im a new member Ive been on trt during 3 years, 100-140mg/w cyp test. Hematocrit always high ( between 52-55). Plaqueta and hemoglobinas always on range. Despite my trt doctor sayd there is no problem, i prefer to mantain as low as possible. Ive try to do lot of things ( grapefruit...

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Hey guys ! Im a new member

Ive been on trt during 3 years, 100-140mg/w cyp test. Hematocrit always high ( between 52-55). Plaqueta and hemoglobinas always on range. Despite my trt doctor sayd there is no problem, i prefer to mantain as low as possible. Ive try to do lot of things ( grapefruit, apnea study, pin e3d, increase water amount, stop smoking). 2 months ago y started to donate blood, but i realized the next month my hematocrit come Back as before. Now im putting 20mg test Daily subq, nattokinase and next week im going to retest again. My concern is if there are real risk on this Numbers and if somebody experienced some. Im very confused becAuse ive been looking lots of studies and there are oposite theories about hematocrit and diferents diseases ( vte, strokes, etc ). Ive also noticed and increase in the size of my veins


Now the shit kicker here is you were already struggling with an elevated hematocrit injecting 100-140 mg TC/week.

Increasing your daily/weekly dose is a surefire way to drive hematocrit up further!

Some men may jump on dailies thinking/hoping they can bring down hematocrit let alone estradiol but it is far from a given as unfortunately many men on dailies still end up running too high a FT steady-state.

It is not just the excessive peak which drives up hematocrit but more importantly the high steady-state FT level!

Due to the PK/doing Nasal T gel and oral TU formulations will have the least impact as the peaks are short-lived and more importantly long trough time hitting much lower T levels throughout the day.

Nasal T gel 2-3 daily peaks/troughs and oral TU 2 daily peaks/troughs.

Now getting back to your question regarding increasing your daily/weekly dose of T and what impact /benefits it will have on body composition


Hi guys!

My actual trt protocol is 20mg/day test cyp suba and after 16 hours of the last shot thats are my levels. I control my hematocrit and my hdl is in 40s so everything is right. But my total t levels are not in the high rank. Im wonderin if i increase the dose to 25/27mg/day i would experience more positive effects in muscle development. I train 5 days a week and follow and hipercaloric diet. So my question is that if i put the levels in the high rank i would notice some effects, because now im trt so i think is better to optimice at most. Your experiencies worth a lot


Taking your current protocol 20 mg TC daily (140 mg T/week) and increasing your dose 25-27 mg TC daily (175-189 mg T/week) will have a big impact on driving up your TT and more importantly FT.

You are increasing your weekly dose 35-49 mg which will push your FT much higher.

With lowish SHBG you would only need to push your TT 498.9 ng/dL--->800 ng/dL and you would end up going from a healthy cFTV 15.2 ng/dL---> high FT 25.8 ng/dL!

If your diet/training protocol are on point then you will most likely see an improvement in recovery, strength and have an easier time putting on some muscle but it is not going to have a huge impact as we are using therapeutic doses of T here.

If anything I would be getting your elevated hematocrit issues sorted out as donating is not the way to go especially if you are going to get caught up on that donating too frequently merry-go-round which is a surefire way to crash your ferritin which can open up another can of worms!

Bottomline is do what you feel is best for you!

 

[Goddar]

On your current protocol 20 mg TC daily (140 mg T/week) even though you are hitting a not so stellar TT 498.9 ng/dL with low SHBG 14.6 nmol/L your cFTV 15.2 ng/dL is healthy.

Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator

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Most healthy young males are hitting a cFTV 13-15 ng/dL and this is a daily short-lived peak!

You are hitting a cFTV 15.2 ng/dL 16 hours post-injection.

You should have had your blood work done 24 hrs post-injection but even then seeing as you are injecting TC daily you are clipping the peak-->trough big time compared to injecting once or twice-weekly!

Do you have room to increase your TT or more importantly FT most definitely if you goal is to hit a high FT 20-25 ng/dL!

Things to keep in mind is how do you feel overall (energy, mood, libido, erectile function, recovery) on your current protocol?

Even though I already have a good idea from your previous thread on the forum another thing that needs to be kept in mind when driving up your FT further is where does your RBCs, hemoglobin and hematocrit sit as these are critical blood markers.

It is a given that driving up your FT (trough/steady-state) will drive up these blood markers!

Whether starting TTh or tweaking a protocol (increasing weekly dose of T) hematocrit will increase within the 1st month and can take anywhere from 6-9 months or in some cases up to a year to reach peak levels.

If you feel great overall then I would tread lightly on driving up your FT as it can easily backfire and have a negative impact on ibido and erectile function let alone mood due to hammering the shit out of your dopamine let alone T has a tonic effect on the CNS and can easily make one feel amped up which can make susceptible individuals more anxious/agitated/amped up.

Is there a chance you may feel even better.....sure!

The only way to know would be through trial and error but always need to keep in mind that running to high a steady-state/trough FT can be just as bad in many ways as running too low a FT especially when it comes to libido and erectile function let alone elevated hematocrit!

It's a f**king myth that one needs high FT to have healthy libido/erectile function spread by all those sheep stuck on that more T is better/needed mentality being spewed on those so called men's health/HRT forums!

You stated in your first thread on the forum:

High hematocrit risk

Hey guys ! Im a new member Ive been on trt during 3 years, 100-140mg/w cyp test. Hematocrit always high ( between 52-55). Plaqueta and hemoglobinas always on range. Despite my trt doctor sayd there is no problem, i prefer to mantain as low as possible. Ive try to do lot of things ( grapefruit...

www.excelmale.com

Hey guys ! Im a new member

Ive been on trt during 3 years, 100-140mg/w cyp test. Hematocrit always high ( between 52-55). Plaqueta and hemoglobinas always on range. Despite my trt doctor sayd there is no problem, i prefer to mantain as low as possible. Ive try to do lot of things ( grapefruit, apnea study, pin e3d, increase water amount, stop smoking). 2 months ago y started to donate blood, but i realized the next month my hematocrit come Back as before. Now im putting 20mg test Daily subq, nattokinase and next week im going to retest again. My concern is if there are real risk on this Numbers and if somebody experienced some. Im very confused becAuse ive been looking lots of studies and there are oposite theories about hematocrit and diferents diseases ( vte, strokes, etc ). Ive also noticed and increase in the size of my veins


Now the shit kicker here is you were already struggling with an elevated hematocrit injecting 100-140 mg TC/week.

Increasing your daily/weekly dose is a surefire way to drive hematocrit up further!

Some men may jump on dailies thinking/hoping they can bring down hematocrit let alone estradiol but it is far from a given as unfortunately many men on dailies still end up running too high a FT steady-state.

It is not just the excessive peak which drives up hematocrit but more importantly the high steady-state FT level!

Due to the PK/doing Nasal T gel and oral TU formulations will have the least impact as the peaks are short-lived and more importantly long trough time hitting much lower T levels throughout the day.

Nasal T gel 2-3 daily peaks/troughs and oral TU 2 daily peaks/troughs.

Now getting back to your question regarding increasing your daily/weekly dose of T and what impact /benefits it will have on body composition


Hi guys!

My actual trt protocol is 20mg/day test cyp suba and after 16 hours of the last shot thats are my levels. I control my hematocrit and my hdl is in 40s so everything is right. But my total t levels are not in the high rank. Im wonderin if i increase the dose to 25/27mg/day i would experience more positive effects in muscle development. I train 5 days a week and follow and hipercaloric diet. So my question is that if i put the levels in the high rank i would notice some effects, because now im trt so i think is better to optimice at most. Your experiencies worth a lot


Taking your current protocol 20 mg TC daily (140 mg T/week) and increasing your dose 25-27 mg TC daily (175-189 mg T/week) will have a big impact on driving up your TT and more importantly FT.

You are increasing your weekly dose 35-49 mg which will push your FT much higher.

With lowish SHBG you would only need to push your TT 498.9 ng/dL--->800 ng/dL and you would end up going from a healthy cFTV 15.2 ng/dL---> high FT 25.8 ng/dL!


View attachment 49284

If your diet/training protocol are on point then you will most likely see an improvement in recovery, strength and have an easier time putting on some muscle but it is not going to have a huge impact as we are using therapeutic doses of T here.

If anything I would be getting your elevated hematocrit issues sorted out as donating is not the way to go especially if you are going to get caught up on that donating too frequently merry-go-round which is a surefire way to crash your ferritin which can open up another can of worms!

Bottomline is do what you feel is best for you!

Thanks for the answer really apreciate it!
In my last labs it seems that due to the daily injections my hematocrit came back into a normal range ( even better when my dose was 100Mg/week)
I have good libido, energy so overall i feel good.
So do you mean due to my cFTV im a very good range ? Does not worth the TT ?
I want to increase the dose to take advantage of the fact that I am on trt, to have my levels at the maximum range, to see some improves in my aesthetic, because my mood is good. But you said that could be a problem because of some side effects. I dont know what i would do xd…
Another question, my trt doctor says is good to have estrógen in a high range but ive heaed that it could gets problems like hepatic adenoma or blood circulation. Which is your opinion?
Thanks