test, and E2 jump with HCG frequency change?

[LTChris]

I switched from 350iu HCG E3.5D to 100iu daily about 6-7 seeks ago. My latest labs have my total test going from 1000 to >1500. E2 sensitive, 29 to 36. Free T, 25 to 33. Test cyp injections remains unchanged (50mg E3.5D)

Can simply changing HCG injection frequency cause such a jump?

 

[ratbag]

Sure it can. It's because your blood tests are are only 24 hours from your last injection. Whereas E3.5D your levels have dropped more. It's a lower trough.

 

[FeelingLost]

Sure it can. It's because your blood tests are are only 24 hours from your last injection. Whereas E3.5D your levels have dropped more. It's a lower trough.

ratbag he did not change his T injection just his HCG frequency.

Going from 1000 to 1500 with just a change to HCG frequency!?!?!?! Maybe the HCG got your balls working and now you have two sources of T.

 

[at15]

when things are done more frequently this usually means more testosterone which in turn means more estrogen.

just like the guys shooting enanthate or cypionate once per week. And they change to an everyday injection schedule, shooting the equivalent milligram amount per week. test and estrogen will go up.

remember as far as testoserone goes 100mg once per week is about the same as 40mg twice per week (80mg per week)

hcg i would stick to 250-350 twice a week. i like 500iu once a week.

 

[LTChris]

It seems like you get more"bang for your buck" so-to-speak with daily injections. Why not do daily and use less, saving money? I haven't crunch the numbers with extra materials (syringes,swipes etc.)

 

[cleverusername]

It seems like you get more"bang for your buck" so-to-speak with daily injections. Why not do daily and use less, saving money? I haven't crunch the numbers with extra materials (syringes,swipes etc.)

Insulin Syringes. $13 per 100
Bottle of Rubbing Alcohol. $2
Feeling better from daily Injections. Priceless!

 

[madman]

when things are done more frequently this usually means more testosterone which in turn means more estrogen.

just like the guys shooting enanthate or cypionate once per week. And they change to an everyday injection schedule, shooting the equivalent milligram amount per week. test and estrogen will go up.

remember as far as testoserone goes 100mg once per week is about the same as 40mg twice per week (80mg per week)

hcg i would stick to 250-350 twice a week. i like 500iu once a week.

One can usually achieve higher TT levels using a less total weekly dosage of testosterone when injecting daily but as far as estradiol one would be more likely to notice reduced e2 conversion as you are basically injecting smaller amounts of testosterone frequently which would avoid the high supra-physiological peaks/low sub-normal troughs when injecting less frequently with higher dosages. It is the supra-physiological peaks of larger doses of testosterone injected less frequently which are more prone to excess e2 conversion.

 

[madman]

It seems like you get more"bang for your buck" so-to-speak with daily injections. Why not do daily and use less, saving money? I haven't crunch the numbers with extra materials (syringes,swipes etc.)

As far as maintaining more consistent testosterone levels and minimizing peaks/troughs and lowering total weekly testosterone dosage as well as possibly less e2 conversion daily injections are the way to go especially if one has lower shbg but as far as feeling best it is not guaranteed for everyone as many do quite well injecting every 3.5 days.

 

[at15]

One can usually achieve higher TT levels using a less total weekly dosage of testosterone when injecting daily but as far as estradiol one would be more likely to notice reduced e2 conversion as you are basically injecting smaller amounts of testosterone frequently which would avoid the high supra-physiological peaks/low sub-normal troughs when injecting less frequently with higher dosages. It is the supra-physiological peaks of larger doses of testosterone injected less frequently which are more prone to excess e2 conversion.

not the case. speaking on an equivalent weekly milligrams basis, estrogen always follows testosterone level never forget that. now if you were to inject daily as well as reduce the weekly dosage then ok you may reduce e2 if testosterone comes down some.

 

[ratbag]

ratbag he did not change his T injection just his HCG frequency.

Going from 1000 to 1500 with just a change to HCG frequency!?!?!?! Maybe the HCG got your balls working and now you have two sources of T.

Yes I realise this is only about HCG dosing... the answer is still the same. Proof is his latest lab results, it changes the results. Taking bloods after 3.5days versus after 1 day (even thought its a smaller dose) changes your labs. We know from that study Nelson did that the effect of HCG is largely diminished at 3.5 days after injection. Hence the difference you are seeing

 

[madman]

not the case. speaking on an equivalent weekly milligrams basis, estrogen always follows testosterone level never forget that. now if you were to inject daily as well as reduce the weekly dosage then ok you may reduce e2 if testosterone comes down some.

Sure e2 follows t its a basic understanding and yes the higher ones overall tt levels the higher chance of aromatizing more but that can be reduce/eliminated by injecting smaller amounts of testosterone daily even if the overall weekly t dosage is only reduced slightly and one still is able to attain a higher total t. Supra-physiological levels (PEAKS) of testosterone play a critical role in excess e2 conversion as oppose to just overall weekly dosage/tt levels. You are also forgetting the genetic factor as some people are low e2 converters and inject higher doses of testosterone that never have issues regarding excess estradiol as oppose to the opposite end of the spectrum where others are high e2 converters (even lean individuals)and tend to have issues with excess estradiol even when injecting lower doses of t. It is not just simply e2 always follows t levels.