Only Get Libido During a Protocol Change?

[Robotics]

I only seem to get libido and good/random erections during a protocol change, I have reduced my dosage several times and each time I get good libido in week 2 or 3 and then it dissapears. I am a daily low shbg injector.

Has anyone dealt with this and how did you rectify it?

Theory #1.
it was E2 that was going into the sweet spot and then going too high
- doesn't make sense since this is a dosage decrease. E2 would be going down

Theory #2
it was E2 that was going into the sweet spot and then going too low
- also doesn't make sense since I have done several dosage decreases and I get libido in week 2 or 3

Theory #3
????

 

[Systemlord]

Your testosterone is midrange and estrogen in the high range, this is estrogen dominance. You're already on daily injections and may need an AI to lower estrogen.

 

[Robotics]

Your testosterone is midrange and estrogen in the high range, this is estrogen dominance. You're already on daily injections and may need an AI to lower estrogen.

Thanks. That makes sense in general, but what explains that temporary libido/erection boost consistently in week 2 or 3, where my E2 should be consistently getting lower with a dosage decrease?

 

[Cataceous]

I have experienced this sort of thing many times when making changes, but I don't have an explanation. For example: I add daily scrotal testosterone cream and get a boost for several days, which then fades. Or, I apply an isolated dose of scrotal testosterone cream and still get a boost for several days.

I think we need to reconsider the idea of a specific "sweet spot" for either testosterone or estradiol. Normal males can have large daily variations in testosterone, and smaller though not trivial daily variations in estradiol.

 

[madman]

I have experienced this sort of thing many times when making changes, but I don't have an explanation. For example: I add daily scrotal testosterone cream and get a boost for several days, which then fades. Or, I apply an isolated dose of scrotal testosterone cream and still get a boost for several days.

I think we need to reconsider the idea of a specific "sweet spot" for either testosterone or estradiol. Normal males can have large daily variations in testosterone, and smaller though not trivial daily variations in estradiol.

Well said!

 

[HarryCat2]

I also only get a boost in libido when making protocol changes, or even more when I take a break for a few weeks from TRT.
I also agree that for many there is no such thing as a sweet spot, I certainly haven't been able to find one in more than 7 years trying.

 

[Vince Carter]

Could be a factor of how large a change or changes you can make at one-time, figure it's a swing to far in one direction because the change was too much. For instance I crept up on a Cyp dose by going 2-4mg (down) over 6-9 months time.

 

[GeauxBears]

I also find libido in the fluctuations - for instance a surge a day or so after injecting HCG. The longer I do TRT, I’m not fully convinced that stable hormone levels are the key to strong libido. There is something to be said for the swings.

 

[CoastWatcher]

I think we need to reconsider the idea of a specific "sweet spot" for either testosterone or estradiol. Normal males can have large daily variations in testosterone, and smaller though not trivial daily variations in estradiol.

Absolutely true and on point.

 

[Robotics]

I also only get a boost in libido when making protocol changes, or even more when I take a break for a few weeks from TRT.
I also agree that for many there is no such thing as a sweet spot, I certainly haven't been able to find one in more than 7 years trying.

What is your shbg? is it perhaps low?

 

[Robotics]

Could be a factor of how large a change or changes you can make at one-time, figure it's a swing to far in one direction because the change was too much. For instance I crept up on a Cyp dose by going 2-4mg (down) over 6-9 months time.

By doing that you found a dose at which you had consistent libido that you didn't before?

 

[HarryCat2]

What is your shbg? is it perhaps low?

Always about 27 to 30.

 

[eli]

You're not low shbg, I've been doing 50mg t cream scrotum twice a day, libido always high

Also, it's the ratio that matters not the #. When you drop dosage, a good ratio occurs at some point then goes away

 

[Robotics]

You're not low shbg, I've been doing 50mg t cream scrotum twice a day, libido always high

Also, it's the ratio that matters not the #. When you drop dosage, a good ratio occurs at some point then goes away

I wonder if doing a microdose of t scrotum cream on top of injections would be just enough for a libido boost? has anyone tried that?

 

[HarryCat2]

I wonder if doing a microdose of t scrotum cream on top of injections would be just enough for a libido boost? has anyone tried that?

Yes, I've tried it, and like with all other protocol changes for me it produced a libido boost for a short while (a few days) and then I went back to baseline.

I've also been on cream only, no injections, and that didn't help either when on a stable protocol.

 

[Vince Carter]

By doing that you found a dose at which you had consistent libido that you didn't before?

Ive absolutely made a significant improvement(s) for myself, yes. Most people aren't this patient with time and multiple labs but it it what it is...

 

[Vince Carter]

I wonder if doing a microdose of t scrotum cream on top of injections would be just enough for a libido boost? has anyone tried that?

We have plenty of threads and posts about using cream as an addition to injections to treat a low DHT condition; search.

 

[eli]

Yes, I've tried it, and like with all other protocol changes for me it produced a libido boost for a short while (a few days) and then I went back to baseline.

I've also been on cream only, no injections, and that didn't help either when on a stable protocol.

On scrotum tho?

It's the only method that has given me libido and wood, I really don't know the science behind it or why... I don't think it's the dht as I've done dht with test and libido wasn't anywhere close

 

[HarryCat2]

On scrotum tho?

It's the only method that has given me libido and wood, I really don't know the science behind it or why... I don't think it's the dht as I've done dht with test and libido wasn't anywhere close

Yes, on the scrotum. Still no libido except during the transition.

 

[Abuser200]

On scrotum tho?

It's the only method that has given me libido and wood, I really don't know the science behind it or why... I don't think it's the dht as I've done dht with test and libido wasn't anywhere close

@eli you say you apply twice daily, is that am and pm with 12hours in between?