I’ve been on nandrolone for 3 years. Started at 60mg a week, then to 80mg for about 2 years. 4 months ago switched to 160mg. My hemoglobin is usually 17-20, was actually 16 on the 160mg. I do experience sides from high Estrogen, but yak 1mg of anastrozole per week and that does the trick lowering it and eliminating sides for me.
Strength is up, I see growth in my chest, legs, biceps, triceps, but not like those guys you see in the gym taking 1000 mg of god knows what .
true, it's nice to get a little more roundness and strength in the muscle belly.
You are very welcome Fernando.
I have been on a protocol very similar to this. One thing I noticed from Nandrolone is that I am a little socially awkward on it. Have you noticed anything like that? Not assertive enough. Like too laid back. Not giving a shit, not necessarily in a bad way but i can be depending on the situation. But during social exchanges eye contact is more uncomfortable for me.
Have you tried increasing the ratio of one of the two to see if that changes?
There are studies in rats showing that deca decreases serotonin and dopamine, something good for those who have excess and obviously bad for those who have little.
I have also benefited from a nandrolone based protocol- I do 80mg Testosterone / 120 nandrolone every 6 days. HCT is actually lower than when I did just Testosterone every 3 days. I had mentioned previously that I was having some BP elevations. Likely it was the nandrolone but could be age and family history. 50 mg of Losartan nightly took care of that plus I read a study where Losartan and other ARB blood pressure meds actually reverses any LVH / cardiac remodeling from steroid use so it’s definitely a great add-on if you need it.
I know what you mean about the bipolar thing on high test. I get very erratic as well and it negatively effects my relationships. In my opinion that can be remedied if estrogen is stabilized in the correct range. I also came to the realization that cypionate doesn't sit well with me. It's as if my body can't handle the constant stimulation. I can't ever relax. But if I pin propionate everyday it feels much more natural to me. I get a good boost during the day but it's not perpetual and allows me some balance.
Nandrolone lowering HCT while on testosterone seems like a unique phenomenon. Yet you, and others have experienced it. Nandrolone is supposed to raise HCT, which it did for me in the beginning , but at the lower 60 and 80mg doses. At the 160 dose, it lowered it for me. I am curious to see if it continues to hold at my next labs in July.
I see the studies you posted but I want to make sure you understand that 19 nor is actually bioidentical , everyone has that hormone that everyone has, granted in small amounts. The amount of what they give rats in these studies is a huge dosage to represent steroid abuse, not something a human as replacement trt would use. The first study is 15mg / kg , which would be for a 215lb male 1500mg not 50mg like you are talking about. Just pointing that out.
While not perfect, HED is your friend when citing and discussing these studies.
Yes. Agreed. There is reference within either this thread or @readalot threas above that touched on the human equivalent doses. The HEDs from these studies are actually closer 200-300 mg weekly for the average size male.
Propionate Only is a protocol I intend to test in 2 weeks.
Gus80,
Do you run HCG, Dhea and pregnanolone are said to have a calming effect.
I don't respond well to dhea. Since I already have 2 children, I prefer not to use hcg.
