I’ve seen a lot of negative reviews from people taking nandrolone. Some people say it can be fairly benign but others say it sorta wrecks them mentally. There are some great exercises you can do for your shoulders. Lots of kettlebell swings or getting into using a mace bell could be very helpful.
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So don’t try to move immobile/ heavy cars sideways, got it lol. So u have these tears in both shoulders?
Glad the steroid injection temporarily helped. Just don’t get too many of them. They actually degrade the tissue they’re injected into/ around over time. At least from my understanding
Sounds like stem cell injections are ur best bet, but not many people can afford them. Including me. I definitely couldn’t justify doing them, if I needed them. But they do work
What about HGH, or growth hormone peptides? Even some oral MK-677
Not sure if nandrolone would do anything for the type of pain ur experiencing, but have I considered trialing it to maybe see if it would help?
Obv everyone is different with how a compound affects them, but for the most part, people that report this are usually pairing nandrolone with test dosages that are too high. Most guys that I’ve seen use nandrolone solo, or a nandrolone base with low dose test, report feeling better mentally than they did on test solo
So 196mg nandrolone and 28mg test per week? Is the 196mg of nandrolone all deca? And what test ester are u using?
Have u experiment with any other test dosages, with the 196mg of nandrolone?
What do ur labs look like on this protocol?
What’s ur SHBG?
How did u feel on 56mg of test cyp per week compared to 28mg/ week?
How’s ur mood and energy levels on this protocol?
How’s sexual function? U said libido is good. How’s erections and sensitivity?
SHBG is 13,3 nmol/liter.
Main reason for dialing up or down the test cyp was to address dht levels and hair loss. Higher test made me lose more hair but strength gains seemed quicker. Had to use anti estrogen more often with higher test.
I feel great emotionally. Energy levels seem good and have not changed much while fooling around with test and nandrolone doses. My libido seems increased on current regimen. Night erections are a common occurrence, erection quality is teenage like. Sensitivity is also high.
Main reason for dialing up or down the test cyp was to address dht levels and hair loss. Higher test made me lose more hair but strength gains seemed quicker. Had to use anti estrogen more often with higher test.
I feel great emotionally. Energy levels seem good and have not changed much while fooling around with test and nandrolone doses. My libido seems increased on current regimen. Night erections are a common occurrence, erection quality is teenage like. Sensitivity is also high.
madman
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I’ve been on nandrolone base for 1 1/2 years now. 28 mg per day along with 4 mg test. No libido or mental issues..
Highly doubtful 4 mg T daily (28 mg/week) is going to have your TT/FT level let alone estradiol high enough.
You can clearly see your estradiol is too low!
Would tread lightly on running your estradiol too low especially when it comes to long-term bone and tendon health.
Most in the know would not let it get below 20 pg/mL .
You have no clue where your TT truly sits as you had it tested using the wrong assay the electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) which will pick up the ND as T and skew your results
You would need to use the most accurate assay LC/MS-MS-No upper limit.
As I have stated numerous times on the forum over the years any time one adds ND to a T-only protocol it is critical to use the most accurate assays for TT (LC-MS/MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration) otherwise your results will be skewed and you will have absolutely no idea where your TT/FT level truly sits.
Both assays are critical and need to be used when adding nandrolone to a T-only protocol.
Just to be clear no AAS would be a testosterone substitution.
The main reason testosterone is used for replacement therapy over nandrolone let alone any other AAS is that testosterone drugs provide a hormone that is already produced in the body.
More importantly, its metabolites estradiol and DHT are needed in healthy amounts to experience the full spectrum of testosterone-beneficial effects on (cardiovascular health, brain health, libido, erectile function, bone health, tendon health, immune system, lipids, and body composition).
*Natural testosterone is viewed as the best androgen for substitution in hypogonadal men. The reason behind the selection is that testosterone can be converted to DHT and E2, thus developing the full spectrum of testosterone activities in long-term substitution
Yes some men will struggle on a T only protocol especially when it comes to running high-end/high FT levels and may fare much better using ND as the base with <100 mg T/week.
The downfall here is in many cases they end up running too low a T-dose with the ND and their estradiol ends up being too low which is not optimal for long-term health especially when it comes to bone/tendons.
If anything I would retest your TT/FT using the most accurate assays so you can see where they truly sit.
28 mg TC is an absurdly low weekly dose!
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I’ve been on nandrolone base for 1 1/2 years now. 28 mg per day along with 4 mg test. No libido or mental issues..
Highly doubtful 4 mg T daily (28 mg/week) is going to have your TT/FT level let alone estradiol high enough.
You can clearly see your estradiol is too low!
Would tread lightly on running your estradiol too low especially when it comes to long-term bone and tendon health.
Most in the know would not let it get below 20 pg/mL .
You have no clue where your TT truly sits as you had it tested using the wrong assay the electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) which will pick up the ND as T and skew your results
You would need to use the most accurate assay LC/MS-MS-No upper limit.
As I have stated numerous times on the forum over the years any time one adds ND to a T-only protocol it is critical to use the most accurate assays for TT (LC-MS/MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration) otherwise your results will be skewed and you will have absolutely no idea where your TT/FT level truly sits.
Both assays are critical and need to be used when adding nandrolone to a T-only protocol.
Just to be clear no AAS would be a testosterone substitution.
The main reason testosterone is used for replacement therapy over nandrolone let alone any other AAS is that testosterone drugs provide a hormone that is already produced in the body.
More importantly, its metabolites estradiol and DHT are needed in healthy amounts to experience the full spectrum of testosterone-beneficial effects on (cardiovascular health, brain health, libido, erectile function, bone health, tendon health, immune system, lipids, and body composition).
*Natural testosterone is viewed as the best androgen for substitution in hypogonadal men. The reason behind the selection is that testosterone can be converted to DHT and E2, thus developing the full spectrum of testosterone activities in long-term substitution
Yes some men will struggle on a T only protocol especially when it comes to running high-end/high FT levels and may fare much better using ND as the base with <100 mg T/week.
The downfall here is in many cases they end up running too low a T-dose with the ND and their estradiol ends up being too low which is not optimal for long-term health especially when it comes to bone/tendons.
If anything I would retest your TT/FT using the most accurate assays so you can see where they truly sit.
28 mg TC is an absurdly low weekly dose!
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I’ve been on nandrolone base for 1 1/2 years now. 28 mg per day along with 4 mg test.
post #26
I’ve been on nandrolone base for 1 1/2 years now. 28 mg per day along with 4 mg test. No libido or mental issues..
Highly doubtful 4 mg T daily (28 mg/week) is going to have your TT/FT level let alone estradiol high enough.
You can clearly see your estradiol is too low!
Would tread lightly on running your estradiol too low especially when it comes to long-term bone and tendon health.
Most in the know would not let it get below 20 pg/mL .
You have no clue where your TT truly sits as you had it tested using the wrong assay the electrochemiluminescence immunoassay (ECLIA) which will pick up the ND as T and skew your results
You would need to use the most accurate assay LC/MS-MS-No upper limit.
As I have stated numerous times on the forum over the years any time one adds ND to a T-only protocol it is critical to use the most accurate assays for TT (LC-MS/MS) and FT (Equilibrium Dialysis or Ultrafiltration) otherwise your results will be skewed and you will have absolutely no idea where your TT/FT level truly sits.
Both assays are critical and need to be used when adding nandrolone to a T-only protocol.
Just to be clear no AAS would be a testosterone substitution.
The main reason testosterone is used for replacement therapy over nandrolone let alone any other AAS is that testosterone drugs provide a hormone that is already produced in the body.
More importantly, its metabolites estradiol and DHT are needed in healthy amounts to experience the full spectrum of testosterone-beneficial effects on (cardiovascular health, brain health, libido, erectile function, bone health, tendon health, immune system, lipids, and body composition).
*Natural testosterone is viewed as the best androgen for substitution in hypogonadal men. The reason behind the selection is that testosterone can be converted to DHT and E2, thus developing the full spectrum of testosterone activities in long-term substitution
Yes some men will struggle on a T only protocol especially when it comes to running high-end/high FT levels and may fare much better using ND as the base with <100 mg T/week.
The downfall here is in many cases they end up running too low a T-dose with the ND and their estradiol ends up being too low which is not optimal for long-term health especially when it comes to bone/tendons.
If anything I would retest your TT/FT using the most accurate assays so you can see where they truly sit.
28 mg TC is an absurdly low weekly dose!
View attachment 44122Hypogonadism and bone
Late Onset Hypogonadism (LOH): bone health Abstract Background. Bone health is underdiagnosed and undermanaged in men. Bone loss occurs in men with hypogonadism and in aging men. Thus, patients with a diagnosis of late-onset hypogonadism (LOH) are at risk of osteoporosis and osteoporotic...
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Man, sounds like ur doing awesome! Love to hear success stories, but especially love hearing success stories when the person is using a similar protocol to what I’m on lol.
Well said. Don’t worry about anyone telling u reasons to switch things up. Just ignore them and continue enjoying ur life. Most people don’t understand nandrolone all that well, so I can see why it can be confusing/ hard for them to understand why it works as a base
Main things to remember are, that nandrolone doesn’t convert much into E2, but does convert into E1, at a higher rate than test does. E1 might be weaker than E2, but can still carry out the same functions that E2 does. So how much E2 a person has in their system, while using a nandrolone base, doesn’t tell the whole story, in regards to estrogen receptor activation
The other thing to consider, is that yes, nandrolone doesn’t convert into DHT, it converts into DHN, and DHN is a lot weaker than DHT, but DHN still activates the same receptors, in the same ways, as DHT, just less than DHT would. But this is actually a good thing. It allows the person to have the same activation on receptors that DHT would have, but again at a weaker level, so u can get the benefits of DHT, without some of the sides that come with high DHT, while still being able to have decently high androgen levels.
So the benefits of using a nandrolone base are mainly that u can have higher androgen levels, while not having equally as high E2, dht and prolactin levels, like someone might have while on a test base, while keeping androgen levels on the higher end
madman
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It was tested using the Equilibrium Dialysis assay?
Post the method used/reference range.
Yes no one here is telling you to change it as you clearly stated it is working for you.
I am telling you to tread lightly when it comes to running your estradiol too low <20 pg/mL long-term as it is not healthy when it comes to bone/tendons.
madman
Super Moderator
Most people don’t understand nandrolone all that well, so I can see why it can be confusing/ hard for them to understand why it works as a base
*So the benefits of using a nandrolone base are mainly that u can have higher androgen levels, while not having equally as high E2, dht and prolactin levels, like someone might have while on a test base, while keeping androgen levels on the higher end
LMFAO!
No shit sherlock, I and many have been stressing this on the forum for years.
Coming from the rookie.
Joe so called it's all about balance.
The same guy who had no idea what assays needed to be used on a T only let alone T + ND protocol.
The same guy that would tell someone to increase his dose of T or ND 6 weeks in if he does not feel well, half-life, time for the body to adapt anyone? LOL!
This is coming from the same guy that stated enanthate could not be injected sub-q LOL!
I could bring up every one of your posts where you needed to be corrected.
*Well said. Don’t worry about anyone telling u reasons to switch things up. Just ignore them and continue enjoying ur life.
Clearly went over your head as usual!
No one here was telling him to change what is working for him.
Anyone with sense in their heads would tell the poor chap running your estradiol that low long-term is not healthy when it comes to bone/tendons!
That was the point being stressed in my reply!
Like I have said numerous time previously think more deeply before you start shooting off at the mouth.
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