Low Dose test cyp
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hva,
Thank you. I didn't know. I thought the Quest Estradiol was the sensitive. Thanks for reviewing it. I had a BW draw yesterday and asked for SHBG and she said not needed based on TT, FT and Estrodial. That high T was indicative of low SHBG (or high FT, don't remember).
JDS,
Thank you. I do not know how to screen shot. I uploaded and thought that was it, but when I saw it, I was obviously wrong.
My wife said to go a head with one of the experts if my current doc isn't knowledgeable enough, so I might end up doing a consult with Defy. My Rx is only $49 and they gave me the needles for free, so that will be the con of going with Defy, but sense of mind is more valuable. Her labs are only $75 too.
Thank you. I didn't know. I thought the Quest Estradiol was the sensitive. Thanks for reviewing it. I had a BW draw yesterday and asked for SHBG and she said not needed based on TT, FT and Estrodial. That high T was indicative of low SHBG (or high FT, don't remember).
JDS,
Thank you. I do not know how to screen shot. I uploaded and thought that was it, but when I saw it, I was obviously wrong.
My wife said to go a head with one of the experts if my current doc isn't knowledgeable enough, so I might end up doing a consult with Defy. My Rx is only $49 and they gave me the needles for free, so that will be the con of going with Defy, but sense of mind is more valuable. Her labs are only $75 too.
Vince Carter
Banned
That's real good.
Vince,
Looks like my doc did regular Estradiol test for the first BW (pre TRT), same for this last one (first BW after starting TRT). I know the sensitive should have been done, but wouldn't they be fairly consistent? Meaning the first one showed 25 (<39), wouldn't they be consistent as you get them going forward? or Do they bounce around so much that they defy reliability?
Looks like my doc did regular Estradiol test for the first BW (pre TRT), same for this last one (first BW after starting TRT). I know the sensitive should have been done, but wouldn't they be fairly consistent? Meaning the first one showed 25 (<39), wouldn't they be consistent as you get them going forward? or Do they bounce around so much that they defy reliability?
Will Brink
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As much as I respect Dr Gordon for his work on the relationship of TBI and hormone dysfunction and vets, his TRT doses make little sense to me and yes, that's a low weekly dose that will not get anyone into the ranges usually desired with TRT. So far, have not read a satisfactory reason for the doses he uses with men diagnosed with hypo gonadism.
Known him for many moons but never had the op to bring that topic up with him.
No, it's made no difference in symptoms. Other than the tingling nipple feeling.
jdthoosier
Active Member
Will -
But various guys may metabolize differently, correct? I appear to be one of those slow metabolizers. I cannot do even 100mg / week because my levels built up, and after about 4 weeks, I had a trough above 1100, and my estradiol hit 49. I'm at 80 mg/week now and my troughs still hits the mid 800's consistently.
But various guys may metabolize differently, correct? I appear to be one of those slow metabolizers. I cannot do even 100mg / week because my levels built up, and after about 4 weeks, I had a trough above 1100, and my estradiol hit 49. I'm at 80 mg/week now and my troughs still hits the mid 800's consistently.
To the original poster.
I would find a 1x week dose of T that gives you a decent and consistent trough reading. Then split that into 2 or 3 injections a week, as preferred.
From personal experience, the first couple months of TRT are often a bumpy ride, as your body is adjusting to the new hormonal balance. During that period you can't base your dosage on day by day feelings.
BTW You're starting too low.
I would find a 1x week dose of T that gives you a decent and consistent trough reading. Then split that into 2 or 3 injections a week, as preferred.
From personal experience, the first couple months of TRT are often a bumpy ride, as your body is adjusting to the new hormonal balance. During that period you can't base your dosage on day by day feelings.
BTW You're starting too low.
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Vince
Super Moderator
It's going to be interesting to see your labs at that low level of injections of testosterone. I can't see much gain from it, but time will tell.
Ok. I will start by saying I will have them email me the BW results. And I also asked her to do the SHBG, which she said wasn't needed. So, although I am a little frustrated by that and not having sensitive E2 test. Here is what my phone call went:
2nd BW 4/12/17
TT 1349 (250-1150)
FT 224
E2 50
She said she goes by ratios and wants them at 5% and said my E2 was too low for the TT. She also said TT too high for shots. If on pellets 1349 would be fine as it would get lower over the absorption period. Told me to cut back and not give myself a shot for 1 1/2 - 2 weeks as it accumulates and will keep getting higher. She also said based on the ratio to stop taking the DIM.
I was doing 10mg daily. If it has a half life of 7-8 days how could it keep going up? My calculations say it would level around 35-40 days.
Should I keep daily? or Lower it?
2nd BW 4/12/17
TT 1349 (250-1150)
FT 224
E2 50
She said she goes by ratios and wants them at 5% and said my E2 was too low for the TT. She also said TT too high for shots. If on pellets 1349 would be fine as it would get lower over the absorption period. Told me to cut back and not give myself a shot for 1 1/2 - 2 weeks as it accumulates and will keep getting higher. She also said based on the ratio to stop taking the DIM.
I was doing 10mg daily. If it has a half life of 7-8 days how could it keep going up? My calculations say it would level around 35-40 days.
Should I keep daily? or Lower it?
Vince Carter
Banned
I don't mean to laugh but that has to be up there for one of the most ridiculous statements by a Dr we've seen here.
You def do need to get SHBG and sens E2, you can find those at discountedlabs.com, though your numbers and very low daily dose of 10mg would tell me that you don't need to be on daily injections, your TT is very very high, knowing the lab range on the Free T would give us another indicator of where your SHBG is.
CoastWatcher
Moderator
Unwillingness to order labs that are an essential part of designing a protocol, inaccurate statements about testosterone "accumulating" in your body...all point to a doctor who is winging this at your expense.
I am going to call Defy. From FT numbers, would you say my SHBG is high? Also, I did start to notice last week I was getting night wood, but it hasn't been consistent given only 5 days. I no longer have to use a constriction ring either. At 77 mg per week have you seen TT that high?
She does pellets, and I think she is taking Biote protocol and applying them to injections. Does it accumulate or does it drop and then start to even out? Is it possible that they were in the "accumulation" phase and should drop down again?
She does pellets, and I think she is taking Biote protocol and applying them to injections. Does it accumulate or does it drop and then start to even out? Is it possible that they were in the "accumulation" phase and should drop down again?
CoastWatcher
Moderator
Testosterone doesn't "accumulate." Pellets, topicals, injections...it doesn't matter; as soon as it's implanted/applied/injected the half-life process starts. It's a different rate depending on various factors, typically the delivery mode and SHBG value. Now, with pellets, there's certainly a greater rise in total testosterone and a slower elimination, but there's no accumulation.
Vince Carter
Banned
KNowing what the lab range is/was will be a clue, please post that when you can.
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