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[rhino5169]

My test c trt dose was 220mg per week which I went to 500mg a week and then had those labs I posted done.
I'm now back to trt dose.

 

[OMI100]

Yes both. It was to increase dht which it did. Before I did the short blast my total T was always fine at around 1000.
I dont have in front of me but it think it was 50mg/ml.

You did this based on medical recommendations??

"My test c trt dose was 220mg per week which I went to 500mg a week and then had those labs I posted done.
I'm now back to trt dose."

You did this based on medical recommendations??

 

[ratbag]

Were you on the same amount of HCG when u were taking 220mg/wk? and the the same 3 shots of cream during this same period? We need to understand all you were taking when your level was around 1000.

 

[rhino5169]

Were you on the same amount of HCG when u were taking 220mg/wk? and the the same 3 shots of cream during this same period? We need to understand all you were taking when your level was around 1000.

Everything else was the same as it always had been. All,I did was increase the test dose.

No. Medical recommendations were small changes that were getting me nowhere. After Over A Year Of That I Decided To See if increasing the dose Had Any effect. Btw, 500 mg is not a lot. It's halfway between a trt dose and a bodybuilders dose.

 

[OMI100]

Everything else was the same as it always had been. All,I did was increase the test dose.

No. Medical recommendations were small changes that were getting me nowhere. After Over A Year Of That I Decided To See if increasing the dose Had Any effect. Btw, 500 mg is not a lot. It's halfway between a trt dose and a bodybuilders dose.

That is like falling off a cliff...."Don't worry I am only 1/2 down and feel great."
Your posted labs are not valid.
You need to decide if you will use injections or cream and stick to that protocol.
I use TD cream and do quite well. Others do well on injections.
Stay at a reasonable dose for 2 or 3 weeks and re-test.
Test at the correct time. I test BFORE I apply my TD cream to get a trough reading.
Not sure on injections, but others can advise for that.
THEN you can see where everything is and THEN work on ONE item at a time.
Might be high E2 or T levels or?
THEN move on to the next item.
Might be thyroid?
ONLY tweak your thyroid meds and NOTHING else and see where it goes.
See if you can find a DR what will work with you.
You CAN NOT TWEAK EVERY THING ALL AT ONCE and expect to resolve all your problems.
TOO MANY MOVING PARTS.
FIX ONE MOVING PART AT A TIME.
You have to slow down and take the time that is needed to do it right or you will ALWAYS be screwed up and feeling like crap, or worse!
SMALL changes work over time.
MASSIVE changes do not work.
Do your research on each moving part.
I know you are frustrated but if you try to slow down the folks here can help guide you better.

 

[ratbag]

500mg is a lot when your body is converting all those steroids to E2 and raising it substantially. It always amazed me how body builders can take 2000mg and not have any E2 issues... well that's not totally true a lot of them have to take insulin injections to keep bloodsugar low. Did you have high E2 when you were at a 1000?

 

[rhino5169]

That is like falling off a cliff...."Don't worry I am only 1/2 down and feel great."
Your posted labs are not valid.
You need to decide if you will use injections or cream and stick to that protocol.
I use TD cream and do quite well. Others do well on injections.
Stay at a reasonable dose for 2 or 3 weeks and re-test.
Test at the correct time. I test BFORE I apply my TD cream to get a trough reading.
Not sure on injections, but others can advise for that.
THEN you can see where everything is and THEN work on ONE item at a time.
Might be high E2 or T levels or?
THEN move on to the next item.
Might be thyroid?
ONLY tweak your thyroid meds and NOTHING else and see where it goes.
See if you can find a DR what will work with you.
You CAN NOT TWEAK EVERY THING ALL AT ONCE and expect to resolve all your problems.
TOO MANY MOVING PARTS.
FIX ONE MOVING PART AT A TIME.
You have to slow down and take the time that is needed to do it right or you will ALWAYS be screwed up and feeling like crap, or worse!
SMALL changes work over time.
MASSIVE changes do not work.
Do your research on each moving part.
I know you are frustrated but if you try to slow down the folks here can help guide you better.

Thanks for the feedback Orrin, but im not sure you're following or maybe im confusing things. Here goes:

My protocol HAS BEEN injections plus cream for 9 months.
I tested monday morning BEFORE I took anything. No injection no cream no thyroid.....nothing except water as I always do.
I did not tweak everything at once. Ive been tweaking (along with my doctors) for a year or more. The ONLY thing I tweaked on my own was to increase the test temporarily after no other tweaking helped.
All my other labs except for the last one I posted have basically normal numbers yet I still was not doing well.
You say small changes over time work, but for me it was a year and no, they did not work.
My doctors do work with me I have no issue there, just trying to make things work.

Thanks

 

[rhino5169]

500mg is a lot when your body is converting all those steroids to E2 and raising it substantially. It always amazed me how body builders can take 2000mg and not have any E2 issues... well that's not totally true a lot of them have to take insulin injections to keep bloodsugar low. Did you have high E2 when you were at a 1000?

Yes my E2 kept going up and when it hit into the mid 60's I was put on anastrozole. It came down very low somewhere between 8 - 16 I think. Ill look it up if its relevant. I then laid off it a couple weeks and went back on smaller dose but it still rose to 103 and thats when I was switched to exemestane but I was also at 500mg test with that.

Ive gone back to trt test dose for 2 weeks now and hopefully the E2 is coming down.

 

[OMI100]

Thanks for the feedback Orrin, but im not sure you're following or maybe im confusing things. Here goes:

My protocol HAS BEEN injections plus cream for 9 months.
I tested monday morning BEFORE I took anything. No injection no cream no thyroid.....nothing except water as I always do.
I did not tweak everything at once. Ive been tweaking (along with my doctors) for a year or more. The ONLY thing I tweaked on my own was to increase the test temporarily after no other tweaking helped.
All my other labs except for the last one I posted have basically normal numbers yet I still was not doing well.
You say small changes over time work, but for me it was a year and no, they did not work.
My doctors do work with me I have no issue there, just trying to make things work.

Thanks

Interesting protocol "injections plus cream".
If you are having significant issues, like you appear to be having, you might think about taking it up a notch and seeing a endo specialist at a teaching University.

Not saying your DR does not know what he is doing, but sometimes folks end up with really bizarre issues that most DRs may not understand. I know one friend who was having issues, and had seen every local DR there was, and no one could figure it out, but a trip to UAB to see one of the DRs there (specialist), and the DR found the problem. One of those very, very rare issues that does not pop up very often. Once the problem was identified a solution was identified. Have not seen my friend for a while, but surgery was in the future to resolve a long standing issue that none of the local DRs found.
Just a thought..

 

[Dr Justin Saya MD]

Interesting protocol "injections plus cream".

That’s actually a creative regimen that is sometimes used by knowledgeable providers to enhance DHT conversion, libido, erectile function, and various other androgenic features. Always works to raise DHT (can raise E2 as well) and commonly (but not always) helps libido, etc.

 

[OMI100]

That's actually a creative regimen that is sometimes used by knowledgeable providers to enhance DHT conversion, libido, erectile function, and various other androgenic features. Always works to raise DHT (can raise E2 as well) and commonly (but not always) helps libido, etc.

Very interesting. I was thinking about it and the daily cream would set a base level of T dependent on the dose, and the injections would kick off from the daily level of T. So the DHT raise comes from the cream. Thanks for the explanation. We learn something every day here