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Fortunate said:
Appreciate the thoughts. My bad - I wasn’t clear. I am tapering the SSRI, not TRT!

The gut is and diet are definitely important!
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Oh I was actually replying to @Cynice49 and him saying that he might hop off HRT soon lol. But glad that ur choosing to taper off of ur SSRI and not HRT. I’m a nurse, and have been in the medical field for 20 years, and have been obsessed with human health and how the body functions pretty much my whole life, and I can tell u with confidence that antidepressants are never the answer longterm for depression. The only application i can see them having benefits is as a temporary bandaid to get someone through a tough time and preventing them from killing themselves. Knowledge is power. I promise u with 100% certainty that u can relieve ur anxiety without medications. PM if u want to learn more about how to do it, and how to do it very easily, and very quickly. What’s really cool about fixing the root cause of the issue, especially through diet, is that many people report their anxiety/ and or depression going away within a week or two. So it’s not like it takes a long time for positive changes to occur. The key is first off knowing what steps to take to correct the root cause of the issue, and then having the will power to do what’s needed to follow through with the steps needed, and lastly be consistent with maintaining what it takes to keep the issue(s) from coming back. Most people struggle the most with the first and last part of what I just said

nobody in this thread needs to be taking medications for mood. The only reason they’re choosing to do so is because they lack the knowledge on how to do it without medications. Which is understandable. Most people don’t understand how to relieve mood issues without medications. So I don’t blame them or anything, and I don’t judge. I just sympathize with them and feel bad, because medications will never make them feel as good as they would if they just corrected the root cause of the issue(s). But correcting mood issues without medications is so much easier than people realize. Might sound judgmental or cocky to say these things, but I wouldn’t say them if I wasn’t 100% confident in what I’m saying. The proof is in the pudding. Anybody that does what they need to will see improvements. The only way u won’t is if u don’t do them. Plain and simple. But again, I don’t judge or look down upon anyone that takes meds for mood. I just feel bad for them because they could feel so much better than they do currently, and without having to take any meds at all.
 
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readalot said:
You lost me there. 100% certainty? Impressive LOL.

Next let's see you correct hypogonadism without drug intervention 100% of the time haha.
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I know man, I’m well aware that it sounds like an extremely bold statement lol. Proof is in the pudding tho. And it’s not to say that fixing the root cause of someone’s chronic daily depression and/ or anxiety will prevent them from ever feeling sad or having anxious moments here and there, or getting down about past life events that could be causing them issues in their adulthood. What I can guarantee is that if someone does the correct steps, anyone can relieve their chronic/ daily depression and/ or anxiety. Or worst case scenario minimize their depression and/ or anxiety to the point where it doesn’t hinder their day to day life too much. Most people will make fun of these statements, like u are, and continue to struggle unfortunately. It’s just how most people react to statements like this. The steps to u feeling better are at ur disposal. It just doesn’t make sense to me that someone in ur position would rather put someone down thats trying to help, simply because their statements seem bold, and are different than what mainstream medicine tells u, than want to learn more about what the person is saying. I promise u I have the answers to allowing u to feel better without any medications. The only thing between u and feeling better is urself, and not being willing to learn more, be open minded, and do what it takes to actually feel better. But I’m not here to force anyone to do anything they don’t want to do. I’m just here to try and help, and offer healthy solutions to things that people are struggling with. I don’t get offended when people don’t want to take me up on my offers to help. I automatically assume that most people will ignore the help, and continue thinking how they’ve thought their entire lives. I get more surprised when people actually want to learn more about things I talk about, and are smart enough to think outside the box and be open to trying things that aren’t attached to a profit based system. Anytime ur implementing solutions that are based around someone making a profit, u can almost guarantee ur looking in the wrong places for ur solutions

and I definitely don’t know how to correct hypogonadism with a percentage even remotely close to 100%. I would be one rich fck if I did tho lol
 
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Bottomline is I gain nothing from trying to help people other than the satisfaction of knowing that I helped someone when they were struggling and just wanted solutions to their issues that actually worked, so they can move on and enjoy their lives. I couldn’t care less about being “right”, or being attached to dogma like thinking, or being married to one idea or another, or pushing a certain agenda. All I care about is what works. If people figure this stuff out on their own without me, even better. I have zero ego. I couldn’t care less about being praised for knowing this or knowing that. All I care about in life is being as happy as possible, and helping others around me be as happy as possible. Those have always been my two main goals in life. I’m just a guy that’s been obsessed with the human body for his entire life pretty much. I’ve always had a passion for trying to figure out how to optimize the human body the best that I can, and trying to figure out how to be as happy as possible, and enjoy life as much as possible. I just have a lot of helpful information to share when it comes to optimizing the human body, and how to be as happy as possible in life. And I’m always more than willing to share what I know with anyone that wants to learn more about these things, and/ or with anyone that I can help with issues that they may be struggling with
 
readalot said:
Give it at least a few months on the SSRI. First 4 weeks were really rocky. After that the anxiety really subsided. I will take depressed and emotionally blunted over panic / anxiety every time.

But you gotta know how to deal with depression. I have lots of practice. SSRIs should be called depressants instead of antidepressants. Definitely suppress anxiety and depress mood for me.
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No disrespect to @Fortunate but he hasn’t really been able to stick to anything for more than a week or two. I think we all learned how long it takes for things to stabilize when messing with hormones and neurotransmitters. I’ve made the same mistakes he’s making for years and years. So I understand. It’s hard to feel like crap for even one day. But that’s the problem when you start medications. People like us are now hyper focused on every little thing that goes on in our body and then get in the cycle of trying to micromanage every little damn thing.
 
It’s funny you say that. I felt best on trt when I was on lexapro. I started to get depression and that grey feeling when I got off lexapro. I’ve been off ssri for around 3 years. And on trt the same. I’ve added low dose preg in hopes it would help with the depression and stuff since I have rock botttom preg levels. Not sure it’s doing much.
 
readalot said:
Look into escitalopram (lexapro) if you are sensitive to even modest dosing of Test or want to run higher due to mental illness/body dysmorphia. See my posts on escitalopram and autonomic/sympathetic regulation. Game changer for me.

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Metoprolol/propanolol did not make a dent so I must conclude for me it was brain/heart connection.
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I’ve really considered this throughout my time on trt. I won’t deny that I had anxiety prior to trt, and whether that anxiety would go away on or off trt. In my case being on trt it doesn’t feel like mental anxiety, but just this fight or flight mode all day consistently, and my labs have looked great. I hate to keep adding meds to a regimen, but again I’ve always thought about adding this in.
 
Gman86 said:
I wouldn’t give up on HRT man. I would do so many things before doing that. Definitely try optimizing diet, sleep, stress and exercise the best that u can before giving up. U’d be extremely surprised how fast anxiety can subside when u optimize ur diet. And when I say optimize ur diet, I mostly mean just cutting out things that mess with ur body, and only give it things that help the body and give it the micronutrients it needs to function properly. 99.999999% of people that think they’re eating healthy aren’t. I can always find multiple things that someone is ingesting that is messing with their body bigtime, whenever they say they eat healthy and I ask what their diet consists of. I could honestly post hundreds of anecdotes where people are talking about how optimizing their diet completely got rid of their depression and/ or anxiety. A lot of the people report lifelong depression and anxiety going away too. And many people that had been diagnosed with treatment resistant depression. U wouldn’t believe how easy it is for most people to get rid of their anxiety and/ or depression once they figure out the true way to eat properly. And even if ur anxiety started once u went on HRT, it still doesn’t mean HRT is the issue. The same HRT protocol can effect someone drastically different depending on the person‘s overall health, and the state of their body apart from their hrt protocol. I’ll post an anecdote of people curing their mood issues with diet using both carnivore and raw veganism, just to show that Im not married to the idea that theirs only one way to eat to optimize overall health. I believe it’s more about the things u don’t ingest that will mess with the body, than what u do ingest


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Thank you, and I’d as well hate to get off TRT. I’ve been on for awhile and idk how recovery will be, but also within those last 6 years I’ve never came off to know whether these symptoms are from TRT or not. I’ve def just thought about trying to come off and recover for a trial period and see how I feel. And exactly as you said, there’s a chance this feeling isn’t from trt it self but could have been a problem prior. As I mentioned in another post, I won’t deny I had anxiety prior to TRT, and maybe it’s just worse and I’ve ignored the issue for this long.
 
Charliebizz said:
It’s funny you say that. I felt best on trt when I was on lexapro. I started to get depression and that grey feeling when I got off lexapro. I’ve been off ssri for around 3 years. And on trt the same. I’ve added low dose preg in hopes it would help with the depression and stuff since I have rock botttom preg levels. Not sure it’s doing much.
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I’m doing the same now with preg, 50mg/50mg AM/PM transdermal cream (oral makes me overly edgy and feels like I hold on to water) , with 5mg/5mg progesterone transdermal applied to Scrotum. I had done progesterone application in the past and it shot my progesterone up to 2.6 (range <1.4) but I don’t think that lab that I got done was correct.
 
I agree with others test esters are not natural, I am sure and endo can explain the physiology even though drs love stable levels its not natural/normal. but I would say 1 get an EKG and ECG make sure your not doing damage with strange rhythm or a carditis . funny your dr hasn't addressed this concern.

2. Perhaps try more physiological test ie cream or test base or nasal test that levels will lower in the evening.

3. did you get covid around the same time noticed symptoms ~3 months within infection? folks always think everything heart is vax related when its pretty clear infection causes similar things but 100X worse. but of course issues do arise from covid vax aswell. no need to derail thread about that stuff but something to be aware of.

4. had similar feeling on HCG very quickly and ive never had the explanation other than it happens.

5. yes I think drs that know what they are doing dont shoot for numbers and refer to ratios of estrogen with T etc.

6. see an endo, but you dont want heart issues man esp if something is causing enlargement and perhaps is just enlargement ie pericarditis due to edema from androgens. perhaps had it before perhaps viral infection made it worse and then more fluid retention causing the issue. basically restricts the heart so it has to beat harder to work even though your BP is normal.

cortisol levels checked? take magnesium? taking a lower dose make symptoms noticeably less?


more im thinking more it sounds like could possibly be carditis and sometimes tough to diagnose...have your dr explain why its impossible thats the case ;)
 
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Oh I was actually replying to @Cynice49 and him saying that he might hop off HRT soon lol. But glad that ur choosing to taper off of ur SSRI and not HRT. I’m a nurse, and have been in the medical field for 20 years, and have been obsessed with human health and how the body functions pretty much my whole life, and I can tell u with confidence that antidepressants are never the answer longterm for depression. The only application i can see them having benefits is as a temporary bandaid to get someone through a tough time and preventing them from killing themselves. Knowledge is power. I promise u with 100% certainty that u can relieve ur anxiety without medications. PM if u want to learn more about how to do it, and how to do it very easily, and very quickly. What’s really cool about fixing the root cause of the issue, especially through diet, is that many people report their anxiety/ and or depression going away within a week or two. So it’s not like it takes a long time for positive changes to occur. The key is first off knowing what steps to take to correct the root cause of the issue, and then having the will power to do what’s needed to follow through with the steps needed, and lastly be consistent with maintaining what it takes to keep the issue(s) from coming back. Most people struggle the most with the first and last part of what I just said

nobody in this thread needs to be taking medications for mood. The only reason they’re choosing to do so is because they lack the knowledge on how to do it without medications. Which is understandable. Most people don’t understand how to relieve mood issues without medications. So I don’t blame them or anything, and I don’t judge. I just sympathize with them and feel bad, because medications will never make them feel as good as they would if they just corrected the root cause of the issue(s). But correcting mood issues without medications is so much easier than people realize. Might sound judgmental or cocky to say these things, but I wouldn’t say them if I wasn’t 100% confident in what I’m saying. The proof is in the pudding. Anybody that does what they need to will see improvements. The only way u won’t is if u don’t do them. Plain and simple. But again, I don’t judge or look down upon anyone that takes meds for mood. I just feel bad for them because they could feel so much better than they do currently, and without having to take any meds at all.
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Getting to the root cause is critical. I definitely agree with you on that. I’ve taken to a lot of contemplative leaning teachings, which has been helpful.
 
Charliebizz said:
No disrespect to @Fortunate but he hasn’t really been able to stick to anything for more than a week or two. I think we all learned how long it takes for things to stabilize when messing with hormones and neurotransmitters. I’ve made the same mistakes he’s making for years and years. So I understand. It’s hard to feel like crap for even one day. But that’s the problem when you start medications. People like us are now hyper focused on every little thing that goes on in our body and then get in the cycle of trying to micromanage every little damn thing.
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Wait - @Charliebizz, didn’t I specifically ask that you not jump on me?!? ;)
 
Fortunate said:
Wait - @Charliebizz, didn’t I specifically ask that you not jump on me?!? ;)
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I know lol. I feel for you bro. And I needed tough love to get me to a decent place. So I’m trying it with you hahahah. i genuinely want you to feel great brother. Nothing more nothing less. Very happy to hear that you’re still riding the cream out. Trust me I still want to fuck around with stuff because I’m not 100%. I’ve flirted with the idea of going back on an ssri because I still have low level depression and honestly I do not know how to relax at all anymore. But I’m not sure what way to turn. I also added in tadalafil to see if it helped with cold hands and feet. While it seems that it helps, I’m also getting strange sides. One being tingling hands and feet. Not sure if it’s the meds. But trust me I’m just like you man.
 
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Charliebizz said:
I know lol. I feel for you bro. And I needed tough love to get me to a decent place. So I’m trying it with you hahahah. i genuinely want you to feel great brother. Nothing more nothing less. Very happy to hear that you’re still riding the cream out. Trust me I still want to fuck around with stuff because I’m not 100%. I’ve flirted with the idea of going back on an ssri because I still have low level depression and honestly I do not know how to relax at all anymore. But I’m not sure what way to turn. I also added in tadalafil to see if it helped with cold hands and feet. While it seems that it helps, I’m also getting strange sides. One being tingling hands and feet. Not sure if it’s the meds. But trust me I’m just like you man.
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I love it. I take it like i’m being nudged by a brother!

Sorry to hear you’re dealing with mood issues. Jury is still out for me. I am battling fatigue. In the process of dropping dose to see if it gets better. After doing some reading, it looks like I got put on a high dose pretty damn quickly and the fatigue is pretty crushing.

That said, it’s otherwise been decent.
 
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