Is low dose nandrolone safe?
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Excellent points. But, where is the link?
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It should be there now, but here it is:
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Am I confident? No. As I have mentioned my issue could have been the result of a bunch of different things. I can currently testing the hypothesis that exogenous T was the culprit. Who knows.
Here you go in case you missed it. All my posts here down summarizing the last 30 years of research in rodents and conversion to human dosing.
Probably of very limited utility for a number of reasons.
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I love nandrolone. It made a new man out of me. I’m working out harder and looking better than I did in 25 years. I take 50-60 mg every 3 days ( the variance is because I don’t care if I’m that precise when filling the syringe.
Latest labs had me in optimal area on all lipid profiles but I take statin. I ache all over when I come off and feel great, mentally and physically, when I'm on.
I try to cycle it like 6 months on one off.
I am not worried about those studies at all. Perhaps I should be but it’s made a huge difference in my life.
Latest labs had me in optimal area on all lipid profiles but I take statin. I ache all over when I come off and feel great, mentally and physically, when I'm on.
I try to cycle it like 6 months on one off.
I am not worried about those studies at all. Perhaps I should be but it’s made a huge difference in my life.
Good to hear. These are the discussions I was hoping for.
Did nandrolone increase your blood pressure a lot?
I was hoping for this. Unfortunately, for me, it didn’t work out that way. It is incredibly individual.
Not a lot - my physical last month had me at 122/80. On good days I’d be 117/77 or so. I bet if I checked it regularly it would be lower.
I think about the same thing the OP does about nandrolone all the time. I’m currently back on nandrolone at 100mg/ week. There were a few factors that made me feel comfortable adding it back to my protocol, but the main thing was following Dr. Lichten’s work. He’s a huge proponent of nandrolone, and uses it very frequently when treating his patients, male and female, and has been for probably 20+ years. He’s one of the only doctors/ people that I’ve heard talk about the health benefits that nandrolone offers, that other compounds don’t. It’s a very unique AAS. He uses it to treat all sorts of conditions. Such as Crohn’s disease, lupus, heart failure, and really any condition that is due to inflammation or has to do with the immune system. Here’s an interview he did that was pretty informative, and he goes over his views on hormone therapy. He’s the first doctor I know of that was using multiple AAS to treat health conditions and to optimize his patients, not just testosterone. Here’s the interview if u want to check it out. He also has a bunch of podcast episodes he put out a while back, but they still hold up to this day, and imo are some of the best podcasts on hormone therapy and what it can do that I’ve come across to date. I’ll link those as well. He doesn’t always reference nandrolone specifically, but just know that if he’s treating an inflammatory or immune system based condition, he’s most likely using nandrolone to treat that patient. He does reference it specifically tho in quite a few episodes. And lastly, there’s another doctor, Dr. Jeffrey Ruterbusch, that’s apparently been using it himself for around 20 years, and seems to be in good spirits and doing fine health wise. He actually learned about the benefits of nandrolone from Dr. Lichten. Here’s a couple quick vids where he talks about nandrolone
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Was already completed for Testosterone. Huge amount of time. Got almost no questions or discussion about that. Good question.
There are quite a few people we already know who keep their trough TT at 1000-1200 ng/dl year round. For years. The question is will their experience be applicable to you. Hence the beauty of a bell curve.
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I’m not trying to talk anyone into using or not using nandrolone or anything, but u literally just described testosterone as well. And none of us are cycling that. There’s guys that see their HDL decrease, LDL increase, and BP increase on testosterone alone. Just like there’s plenty of guys that don’t see any negative effects to their lipids or BP when using low dose nandrolone. Each compound effects everyone differently. I, for instance, don’t see a rise in BP or negative effects to my lipid panel when adding in low dose nandrolone. But I obv don’t see anything wrong with erring on the side of caution and only using nandrolone 3-4 months out of the year. It’s just not good to generalize based on one person’s anecdotal experience. Whether it be something positive or negative
What’s ur current full protocol? Last time I checked u were using 70mg of both test and nandrolone. But looks like u’ve upped ur nandrolone a bit. So curious if u adjusted the rest of ur protocol at all
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We should journal club this article. Would one be taking very low dose AAS to treat inflammatory / autoimmune / dermatological disease or build muscle or both?
The daily dosing for the former very different than the second. 0.5 to 2 mg day of stanozolol about as high as used in dermatology field over years. Oxandrolone similar on a mg/kg basis up to 5 years in humans. Important to not fool yourself in taking literature and standard of care for these disease conditions and then rationalizating 25 to 50 mg/day of oxandrolone or stanozolol long term with 12 weeks and 12 weeks off is the same.
Long term use of 50 to 100 mg/week nandrolone a safer option? Cardiac wise I am not sure but the anhedonia and mental effects tell me it is most likely much more neurotoxic compared to T on a mg to mg basis (my experience). Also plenty of mechanistic discussion in the literature.
For that matter 1200 ng/dl TT trough vs 300 ng/dl TT trough is night and day different for me once you rationally think about it and judge dose response effects (it is a multi year project to get these data for yourself).
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Excellent summary. 12 to 16 weeks for these results to manifest and then another 12 weeks to feel semblance of recovery once you stop. Very hard to be objective as the changes manifest slowly. Tread carefully to judge your reactions.
This is an excellent point.
Agreed fully. Nandrolone’s potential neurotoxic effects are cited in the literature.
This is exactly how I’ve felt in the past using nandrolone. At about the 6-week mark, depression and lethargy were unbearable. Additionally, and this is something I do not hear many people post about, short-term memory deficits were extremely prevalent…almost to the point of feeling like an early dementia patient. Neurotoxic effects are noted in the literature. Though not comprehensive literature nor tested specifically in the setting we are discussing, I experienced what I would consider to be extreme neurotoxic effects resulting in not only drastic mood alterations but worrisome reductions in cognitive function.
All side effects reversed after cessation.
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