Dcalicotte03
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Did you stay on trt?
The sameWhat’s the difference between fsh and hmg? I’m taking 75iu of fsh 3x a week. What would be the equivalent dose of hmg?
Did you have any luck, I am in similar shoes as you wereJust thought I’d update on my journey on thus topic
Have been on 500iu of hcg every 3 days and additionally hmg 75iu EOD whilst remaining on TRT and 90mg of deca weekly for joints primarily.
perhaps somewhat optimistically was hoping to get the wife pregnant in month one of this new protocol but hasn’t achieved that result yet and didn’t conduct a new fertility test.
So I realise I was probably a little underdosed for a recovery protocol so was intending to up the hcg to 1500iu every 3 days and continue with the hmg at 75iu EOD. TRT to continue as is. I will also conduct a fertility test mid way through month 2 to verify that I have the desired result in my sperm.
Any thoughts / experiences to help validate or refine this proposed protocol?
Another option is to increase hmg to 150iu but that is the more expensive option and would add circa £200 to the monthly protocol cost.
12.5 mg everyday or every other day. Seems to work best for most men.@gaz7718
I've just read this thread and that's awesome news mate!
I too am in the UK. My wife and I have an 8 year already, but we've been trying to conceive again on and off for about 4 years. I'm 42, my wife 36.
So obviously been fertile previously.
Despite my healthy lifestyle, weight training but due to lack of libido and generally disappointing bedroom performances as well as fatigue, brain fog. I went to see my GP. Blood tests confirmed Test was low to mid range (or normal as far as their guidance suggested....) LH and fsh look OK on paper.
She referred me to an endo consultant but knowing we are trying for baby said it's unlikely they'd shoot for trt as an option.
I really thought it would be a waste of time so cancelled the appointment.
I decided as going private (paying to see specialist) wasn't an option also decided to go alone
I went on self medicated trt from Oct last year 100mg test e, then added in hcg 500ui 3 times a week around Feb this year, thinking the hcg would solve everything but still no pregnancy. I felt great in myself. Gym performance, muscle gain, fat loss, more fun sex was enjoyable and doable for us both!
In June added hmg too at 75iu 3 times a week, then someone I know suggested 150uiu 3 times a week.
It got to a point where didn't know what to do. It's getting us both down. Still no pregnancy, thinking a semen analysis was maybe good idea.
Jump to 2 weeks ago now and I've come off my trt. Embarking on clomid for now.
Strangely felt OK on it.
Week 1 25mg clomid ed but then built up to 50mg by end of week.
Week 2 75mg clomid ed
Week 3 75mg Ed (this is where Iam currently) week 4 50mg Ed is the plan.
Iam finally booking a semen analysis tomorrow, (expensive!!) but how long further should I wait before I get tested?
Would it be best to stay on low dose clomid for longer?
Really running out of options guys and really want to be back trt but can't until we conceive.
@gaz7718
I've just read this thread and that's awesome news mate!
I too am in the UK. My wife and I have an 8 year already, but we've been trying to conceive again on and off for about 4 years. I'm 42, my wife 36.
So obviously been fertile previously.
Despite my healthy lifestyle, weight training but due to lack of libido and generally disappointing bedroom performances as well as fatigue, brain fog. I went to see my GP. Blood tests confirmed Test was low to mid range (or normal as far as their guidance suggested....) LH and fsh look OK on paper.
She referred me to an endo consultant but knowing we are trying for baby said it's unlikely they'd shoot for trt as an option.
I really thought it would be a waste of time so cancelled the appointment.
I decided as going private (paying to see specialist) wasn't an option also decided to go alone
I went on self medicated trt from Oct last year 100mg test e, then added in hcg 500ui 3 times a week around Feb this year, thinking the hcg would solve everything but still no pregnancy. I felt great in myself. Gym performance, muscle gain, fat loss, more fun sex was enjoyable and doable for us both!
In June added hmg too at 75iu 3 times a week, then someone I know suggested 150uiu 3 times a week.
It got to a point where didn't know what to do. It's getting us both down. Still no pregnancy, thinking a semen analysis was maybe good idea.
Jump to 2 weeks ago now and I've come off my trt. Embarking on clomid for now.
Strangely felt OK on it.
Week 1 25mg clomid ed but then built up to 50mg by end of week.
Week 2 75mg clomid ed
Week 3 75mg Ed (this is where Iam currently) week 4 50mg Ed is the plan.
Iam finally booking a semen analysis tomorrow, (expensive!!) but how long further should I wait before I get tested?
Would it be best to stay on low dose clomid for longer?
Really running out of options guys and really want to be back trt but can't until we conceive.
I would keep running your current dose. But most men do better with 12.5 every day or every other day.Thanks vince.
So will my current dosage be doing any harm? 75mg daily.
Shall I taper down to 12.5mg Ed or eod and just keep running it?
Concerning your earlier post a couple of things was notable. First you started HCG some months after TRT and so possibly by this point you were already infertile.Thanks vince.
So will my current dosage be doing any harm? 75mg daily.
Shall I taper down to 12.5mg Ed or eod and just keep running it?
Concerning your earlier post a couple of things was notable. First you started HCG some months after TRT and so possibly by this point you were already infertile.
it’s relevant because you then took a hcg dose that many would say is to maintain fertilitynot restore it.
most of the studies I read and linked on this forum hcg plus hmg or fsh was the best combination to restore fertility. My first week or so I was taking 1500iu if hcg plus the 75 of hmg.
ill let others tackle the clomid question, but three months is the minimum time you should have allowed on the previous regime and at least done a hone fertility test, which whilst not 100% accurate might have helped restore some confidence that the strategy might have been working fine.Thanks for your reply mate.
Totally makes sense what your saying.
I feel like I've wasted so long now because of that.
At least I suppose my body composition improved haha...
I don't know what to turn to next if the clomid doesn't work. As I'd said on my previous post if it wasn't for the lonely I'd still be using the hmg / hcg and be back on the trt.
I've just looked back at my records and forgot to mention in original post that back in mid June was using 1000iu hcg and 150iu 3 times a week. I then dropped the hmg back to 75iu to try and conserve/save money. Maybe I just didnt didn't long enough before coming off every thing.
Regarding clomid so if I taper down to 50mg next week and down to 25mg week after, shall I just try running 12.5mg a day until something happens?
How long can you stay in clomid for, please?
@gaz7718 must be nearly baby time is it by now?
I've given it 2 months now total on clomid, the last 5 weeks on 12.5mg daily. Still nothing in the way of pregnancy for us.
My wife went for a blood test at GPs but the time was wrong or missed the hormone spike.
I've got a semen sample to do (nhs) that I'm going to do on Monday, I've also order a medichecks private) blood test for myself to check, shbg, LH, fsh TT and FT, hopefully levels improved in bloowork despite how I feel.
I've been mentally suffering with anxiety a lot over the last few months, with work pressure and still no pregnancy and I'm thinking clomid may not have helped with this, I've even left my job.
I really want to go back on my self administered trt, but will take hcg from the beginning. Guessing 1500 ui 3 x week is preferable then., then when fubds do allow to add in hmg again.
Does this sound reasonable / sensible?
That's awesome news my friend
Got my blood work back today and things looking OK LH and fsh wise, other than total T which is understandably low.
Just waiting on semen analysis results now.
I've gone back on trt Wednesday night with hcg 1000iu. The plan was 1000iu 3 times a weeks as Im scared I won't be able to maintain my current LH and fsh levels without adequate hcg.
Can this amount do damage or pure waste of money.
Attached are my results. Thanks everyone so far for you help