I don't think anyone can give you an accurate answer to this. You would have to at least run an experiment where you make two vials of hCG and shake one, drop it...whatever, while the other one remains undisturbed, and then test both samples.
I don't think anyone has run that experiment.
Anecdotally I've heard a lot of people say that even though pharma specs for hCG are that it should retain 99%+ potency for up to 8 weeks, the reality is that it loses potency much faster than that.
I haven't noticed that personally but my runs with hCG had so many ups and downs that it's hard (impossible) to isolate variables, and I would question anyone's judgement who claims any degree of certainty in that regard.
If anything in general the expiration dates on pharmaceuticals are purposely pessimistic. For example guidelines for pierced vials of Test are 28 days before discarding. I've used Testosterone that was 2-3 years old in a half-used vial and based on lab results it still had the same potency, so I would expect that to hold for hCG as well.
As far as fragility, just going by common sense and what it turns out to be for other medications (GH as you mentioned, also Testosterone with temperature, etc...), I would expect hCG to follow the same pattern and be less fragile than claimed.
Again though, no way of knowing unless you'we willing to run those experiments, and even then you'd need to be really close to the lab; shipping to Jano somewhere in Europe wouldn't be a great experiment if you're testing hCG's resilience to shocks, changes in temperature, etc...
I don't think anyone has run that experiment.
Anecdotally I've heard a lot of people say that even though pharma specs for hCG are that it should retain 99%+ potency for up to 8 weeks, the reality is that it loses potency much faster than that.
I haven't noticed that personally but my runs with hCG had so many ups and downs that it's hard (impossible) to isolate variables, and I would question anyone's judgement who claims any degree of certainty in that regard.
If anything in general the expiration dates on pharmaceuticals are purposely pessimistic. For example guidelines for pierced vials of Test are 28 days before discarding. I've used Testosterone that was 2-3 years old in a half-used vial and based on lab results it still had the same potency, so I would expect that to hold for hCG as well.
As far as fragility, just going by common sense and what it turns out to be for other medications (GH as you mentioned, also Testosterone with temperature, etc...), I would expect hCG to follow the same pattern and be less fragile than claimed.
Again though, no way of knowing unless you'we willing to run those experiments, and even then you'd need to be really close to the lab; shipping to Jano somewhere in Europe wouldn't be a great experiment if you're testing hCG's resilience to shocks, changes in temperature, etc...
How long will you use a vial for once it's mixed? Have you ever noticed a decrease in potency over time?
You're using reliablerx, not pregnyl right?
t_spacemonkey
Well-Known Member
i use reliablerx (all brands there). i think there is some degradation. after mixing it and injecting i always feel a boost pretty strong. increase in libido, warm balls etc. then weeks pass and this definitely seems to diminish. my protocol is T 210mg/week HCG 3x1200IU/week
Vince
Super Moderator
Close to 10 weeks. I've never noticed a decrease in potency.
However, you’re using it as an adjunct to TRT. I doubt you’d notice a 10-20% decrease. I use it as HCG mono, in which case such a decrease could lead to a 10-20% decrease in T levels, which could be more noticeable.
Vince
Super Moderator
Yes I'm on daily injections of testosterone and hcg every 3rd day.
SteveCleves
Well-Known Member
I Posted this previously in another thread:
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Heres an interesting real world test that some people did on meso-rx
thinksteroids.com
"This is a work in progress of testing reconstituted HCG for degradation after 30, 45 and 60 days stored between 2-8 degrees celsius as advised. Posting this with slight delay as I needed to check that it matched the contents of pharmaceutical HCG to exclude this as a variable.
...
~18% degradation after 31 days
~50% degradation after 45 days"
That thread also links to this study:
Which showed about the same degradation rates.
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Take it for what its worth.
I will say that after reading this I started buying HCG in smaller amounts 2000 & 5000 IUS vs 10k and therefore reducing the time that i am leaving reconstituted vials sitting around.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heres an interesting real world test that some people did on meso-rx
HCG degradation testing after 30, 45, 60 days
This is a work in progress of testing reconstituted HCG for degradation after 30, 45 and 60 days stored between 2-8 degrees celsius as advised. Posting this with slight delay as I needed to check that it matched the contents of pharmaceutical HCG to exclude this as a variable. Was able to...
thinksteroids.com
"This is a work in progress of testing reconstituted HCG for degradation after 30, 45 and 60 days stored between 2-8 degrees celsius as advised. Posting this with slight delay as I needed to check that it matched the contents of pharmaceutical HCG to exclude this as a variable.
...
~18% degradation after 31 days
~50% degradation after 45 days"
That thread also links to this study:
Which showed about the same degradation rates.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Take it for what its worth.
I will say that after reading this I started buying HCG in smaller amounts 2000 & 5000 IUS vs 10k and therefore reducing the time that i am leaving reconstituted vials sitting around.
t_spacemonkey
Well-Known Member
great find thx! it totally makes sense to use it up within a month. at my dosing of 3600IU/week i should be done by 3 weeks with the 10k vial. btw I'd never would run such dosing if not reliablerx pricing.I Posted this previously in another thread:
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Heres an interesting real world test that some people did on meso-rx
HCG degradation testing after 30, 45, 60 days
This is a work in progress of testing reconstituted HCG for degradation after 30, 45 and 60 days stored between 2-8 degrees celsius as advised. Posting this with slight delay as I needed to check that it matched the contents of pharmaceutical HCG to exclude this as a variable. Was able to...
"This is a work in progress of testing reconstituted HCG for degradation after 30, 45 and 60 days stored between 2-8 degrees celsius as advised. Posting this with slight delay as I needed to check that it matched the contents of pharmaceutical HCG to exclude this as a variable.
...
~18% degradation after 31 days
~50% degradation after 45 days"
That thread also links to this study:
Which showed about the same degradation rates.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Take it for what its worth.
I will say that after reading this I started buying HCG in smaller amounts 2000 & 5000 IUS vs 10k and therefore reducing the time that i am leaving reconstituted vials sitting around.
Bbobtucker
Member
Yeah, no doubt. I was always trying to buy biggest possible to save $ and reconstitute less often but after reading that I'm going to start buying smaller amts. Good read, thanks.I Posted this previously in another thread:
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Heres an interesting real world test that some people did on meso-rx
HCG degradation testing after 30, 45, 60 days
This is a work in progress of testing reconstituted HCG for degradation after 30, 45 and 60 days stored between 2-8 degrees celsius as advised. Posting this with slight delay as I needed to check that it matched the contents of pharmaceutical HCG to exclude this as a variable. Was able to...
"This is a work in progress of testing reconstituted HCG for degradation after 30, 45 and 60 days stored between 2-8 degrees celsius as advised. Posting this with slight delay as I needed to check that it matched the contents of pharmaceutical HCG to exclude this as a variable.
...
~18% degradation after 31 days
~50% degradation after 45 days"
That thread also links to this study:
Which showed about the same degradation rates.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Take it for what its worth.
I will say that after reading this I started buying HCG in smaller amounts 2000 & 5000 IUS vs 10k and therefore reducing the time that i am leaving reconstituted vials sitting around.
Another new fresh degradation test of HCG in bacteriostatic water (in fridge) after 30 days:I Posted this previously in another thread:
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Heres an interesting real world test that some people did on meso-rx
HCG degradation testing after 30, 45, 60 days
This is a work in progress of testing reconstituted HCG for degradation after 30, 45 and 60 days stored between 2-8 degrees celsius as advised. Posting this with slight delay as I needed to check that it matched the contents of pharmaceutical HCG to exclude this as a variable. Was able to...
"This is a work in progress of testing reconstituted HCG for degradation after 30, 45 and 60 days stored between 2-8 degrees celsius as advised. Posting this with slight delay as I needed to check that it matched the contents of pharmaceutical HCG to exclude this as a variable.
...
~18% degradation after 31 days
~50% degradation after 45 days"
That thread also links to this study:
Which showed about the same degradation rates.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Take it for what its worth.
I will say that after reading this I started buying HCG in smaller amounts 2000 & 5000 IUS vs 10k and therefore reducing the time that i am leaving reconstituted vials sitting around.
HCG degradation in Bacteriostatic water (in fridge)
HCG 15,000IU vial (tested 18,000IU) was sent to janoshik, along with a bacteriostatic water vial (0.8% BA), the HCG was reconstituted with this solution, and put in the fridge for 30 days, then tested: Testing pre experience: Janoshik Analytical Testing after 30 days in fridge reconstituted...
thinksteroids.com
Results: almost no degradation at all.
SteveCleves
Well-Known Member
they continued for another 30 days and still basically no or very slight degradation after 60 days.Another new fresh degradation test of HCG in bacteriostatic water (in fridge) after 30 days:
HCG degradation in Bacteriostatic water (in fridge)
HCG 15,000IU vial (tested 18,000IU) was sent to janoshik, along with a bacteriostatic water vial (0.8% BA), the HCG was reconstituted with this solution, and put in the fridge for 30 days, then tested: Testing pre experience: Janoshik Analytical Testing after 30 days in fridge reconstituted...
Results: almost no degradation at all.
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