Dialing in estradiol

[CoastWatcher]

I'm 23 years old, which I think was part of the rationale behind the high dose.

That's nonsense. Please, consider finding a new doctor.

 

[Jim Remick]

There's no rationale behind 100mg 2x a week. It's FAR too much at any one time, lots of excess to be aromatized.

Works great for me for years. Keeps my testosterone around 900 and estrogen just fine without an AI

 

[bluezebra5]

Works great for me for years. Keeps my testosterone around 900 and estrogen just fine without an AI

Jim, do you, or did you ever use HCG alongside this? If so, how often do you dose it? Do you know where your ultrasensitive E2 levels generally are? Thanks brother

 

[Jim Remick]

Jim, do you, or did you ever use HCG alongside this? If so, how often do you dose it? Do you know where your ultrasensitive E2 levels generally are? Thanks brother

Yes...I take a small dose of HCG 3 times a week and do frequent labs. My E2 levels are very slightly on the high side and I feel better that way. I'm a fast metabolizer

 

[bluezebra5]

Yes...I take a small dose of HCG 3 times a week and do frequent labs. My E2 levels are very slightly on the high side and I feel better that way. I'm a fast metabolizer

That's good to hear. So ok, you do 2 test shots per week, and 3 HCG. What's your HCG dose? If you don't mind me asking, do you know if you've maintained your fertility on this regimen? Thank you very much

 

[Jim Remick]

That's good to hear. So ok, you do 2 test shots per week, and 3 HCG. What's your HCG dose? If you don't mind me asking, do you know if you've maintained your fertility on this regimen? Thank you very much

Yes..I follow Nelson's protocol of shallow intramuscular in the shoulder and 250 HCG 3 times a week. I don't care about fertility. I'm 49 and have 2 great grown kids.

 

[bluezebra5]

Yes..I follow Nelson's protocol of shallow intramuscular in the shoulder and 250 HCG 3 times a week. I don't care about fertility. I'm 49 and have 2 great grown kids.

Got it. I wish this could have hit me about 10 years later, and I wouldn't have to care about either. Thanks Jim.

 

[Jim Remick]

Got it. I wish this could have hit me about 10 years later, and I wouldn't have to care about either. Thanks Jim.

Arnold fathered a kid after many years of steroid use.

 

[bluezebra5]

Arnold fathered a kid after many years of steroid use.

Good point. I'd be surprised if he didn't have to shell out for IVF though. Or maybe he was that much of a genetic freak.

 

[bluezebra5]

Quick update. I've been on .5 mg arimidex 2x per week for 2 weeks now. Feeling pretty good, though I am getting ridiculously hot again at night (this happened when my e2 got out of control last time). I'll let the labs speak for themselves in a couple of weeks. Looking like I will be moving to EOD injections pretty soon.

 

[bluezebra5]

UPDATE 1/29

Much to my surprise, and excitement, after running EOD injections for both testosterone and HCG, and reducing to .25mg adex EOD, my labs are as follows:

TT 1234
FT 34.2
E2 (sensitive) 17 ref(8-35)

I'm a little torn at this point, whether to attempt to discontinue arimidex completely, or to taper a bit more. excited to see how I feel when I get that T:E2 ratio down a little more.

 

[ERO]

If you are getting your AI from a compounding pharmacy, you can easily get doses less that 0.25mg. You may be fine with no AI though on your current protocol.

 

[bluezebra5]

Not currently, as I was on an unfortunately whopping dose.

In your experience, does it cost significantly more to fill through a compounding pharmacy? Do you know if there is anything they could do with my current supply of 1mg pills? Now that I've cut the dose by 75%, I have 3 months worth or so.

 

[torrential]

Cut them. I chop my 1mg pills into quarters with a big chefs knife. Never a problem.

 

[ERO]

Cut them. I chop my 1mg pills into quarters with a big chefs knife. Never a problem.

Chopping them only works well to cut them in half (0.5mg) or quarters (0.25mg), which is why I mentioned compounding labs for dosing less than 0.25mg. I suppose if you took a razor blade you *might* be able to cut the quarters in half again, but it would be a challenge to not cut your self and to be sure they are evenly split.

 

[torrential]

I missed the specific dosing you are moving towards. Another option is to dissolve the pills in alcohol then use a dropper. This works well, provides a very high degree of precision, and is one way to use up your inventory.

 

[bluezebra5]

Chopping them only works well to cut them in half (0.5mg) or quarters (0.25mg), which is why I mentioned compounding labs for dosing less than 0.25mg. I suppose if you took a razor blade you *might* be able to cut the quarters in half again, but it would be a challenge to not cut your self and to be sure they are evenly split.

You're correct. Even quarters is a challenge using a razor blade. My pill cutter can't even half the pills without obliterating them. I think I'll do .25 e3d and reassess in a few weeks.

 

[CoastWatcher]

UPDATE 1/29

Much to my surprise, and excitement, after running EOD injections for both testosterone and HCG, and reducing to .25mg adex EOD, my labs are as follows:

TT 1234
FT 34.2
E2 (sensitive) 17 ref(8-35)

I'm a little torn at this point, whether to attempt to discontinue arimidex completely, or to taper a bit more. excited to see how I feel when I get that T:E2 ratio down a little more.

If you referenced this earlier, please excuse the question, but are you still injecting 200mg of testosterone on a weekly basis? If not, how much are you taking?

 

[bluezebra5]

If you referenced this earlier, please excuse the question, but are you still injecting 200mg of testosterone on a weekly basis? If not, how much are you taking?

Thats correct, still 200/1500 (testosterone/HCG) weekly, just split EOD

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

UPDATE 1/29

Much to my surprise, and excitement, after running EOD injections for both testosterone and HCG, and reducing to .25mg adex EOD, my labs are as follows:

TT 1234
FT 34.2
E2 (sensitive) 17 ref(8-35)

I'm a little torn at this point, whether to attempt to discontinue arimidex completely, or to taper a bit more. excited to see how I feel when I get that T:E2 ratio down a little more.

Just curious as to what your doctors have to say about all of this? The very same doctors that were using the wrong E2 test to base their dosage (or should I say, overdosage) of Adex that you were taking before. Did you change your protocol on your own, and get their blessing, or are you just doing this all by yourself now?

Personally, I would stop the Adex, or at least go down to .15mg BIW (from a compounding pharmacy), as your sensitive E2 is still pretty low.