At what Free T level do you feel optimal?

[eli]

Normal free T is 9-15, anything above that is a full blown steroid cycle and can be dangerous

Source!?

 

[Fortunate]

@Systemlord, this is a good thread. Thanks for starting it. Not that I have much to contribute to it at this point, but I’ve been waiting for something like this.

 

[Systemlord]

Their brains are young their bodies young their mitochondria all young. So maybe some men might need free t in the higher range to compensate for the other parts of the system that have aged (loss of dopamine, receptor changes, etc).

The opposite is also true, some of these inflammatory state, broken men can't handle high free testosterone anymore.

I’ve been waiting for something like this.

@Fortunate ->

 

[Systemlord]

Need to state your calculation method with the numbers provided.

Total T 772 ng/dL, SHBG 20 using the Tru-T calculator = 28.38 ng/dL, ranges 7.0-36.5 ng/dL.

 

[bixt]

Normal free T is 9-15, anything above that is a full blown steroid cycle and can be dangerous

And correction!: 20-25-30ng ft is considered to be around "top of the range"

Now, we really want some proof here. Link up to steroid forums where bodybuilders have given out info on such "full blown cycles" (anything targeting 16ng dl or slighly higher will be fine for proof)

Secondly, give proof that 20ng/dl FT is dangerous (I have added 4ng/dl to your top number, putting 20ng solidly in dangerous territory!)

 

[Coconutz]

The ranges or the numbers? Be specific and consistent with your claim. They do not set the ranges. They do set some numbers.

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I should be more empathetic. I wish you health and happiness. Take care.

Bahahahahah! Yup. Your STILL hating on the men that prefer real sex to masturbation. Lol. I'm healthy and happy as can be, thank you very much.

However I need to work on some empathy too. The way your still upset at our conversation WEEKS ago, tells me you don't get out in the real world much and spend waaaaaay too much time posting things on the internet. I'm sorry I triggered you. Im sorry that I prefer the real world with real women. Can we be friends now and forget all that and NOT ruin this thread too?? And by the way.. YES, insurance companies set EVERYTHING the doctors allowed to bill. If you believe otherwise, I have a big red bridge in San Francisco I'll sell ya for really a good deal.

Btw..I bet if you quit jerking off and found a real partner in the REAL world, you'd get over the things that strangers say to upset you on forums.

The internet really has damaged the way humanity interacts with each other.

 

[SS1LE]

So far it appear more people feel better above range .......but then again the ranges are problem. On the quest lab I'm over range buy a lot, but from the calculators I'm in the 20's to little over 30 depending on which one.

 

[Systemlord]

I would argue the guys that don't feel good with high normal or above range Free T that their bodies can't handle it because of an underlining medical condition.

A guy who has low body fat, is not inflamed and otherwise healthy is going to be able to handle high testosterone without issues.

 

[SS1LE]

I would argue the guys that don't feel good with high normal or above range Free T that their bodies can't handle it because of an underlining medical condition.

The vast majority of men with very high hematocrit and high blood pressure on TRT either have cardiovascular or psychological problems.

This could be be, My BP was high before TRT well 130s/85-90.....I take Losartan 50MG for like the last 11 years and it pretty much keeps it around normal 120s/70-80....In terms hematocrit no where near even being close to over range.

 

[tareload]

Where do you come up with these statements? Part Yogi Berra, part insane.

Really? You base this statement on what?

 

[Vince]

Personally I feel. When you were young, if you had higher natural levels, you do better with higher levels. When you were young, if your levels were lower you need lower levels. I think we just put too much thought into it.

 

[tareload]

The opposite is also true, some of these inflammatory state, broken men can't handle high free testosterone anymore.


@Fortunate ->

 

[Systemlord]

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This guys qualifications in no way means he's is wrong in what he said and I hope you're not insinuating that just because somebody's not a doctor they don't know what they're talking about.

There are a lot of doctors out there that don't measure up, have massive character flaws that have no business practicing medicine.

The guy in that video has a better understanding than most doctors about the subject of androgens affects on the body.

 

[SS1LE]

Personally I feel. When you were young, if you had higher natural levels, you do better with higher levels. When you were young, if your levels were lower you need lower levels. I think we just put too much thought into it.

Could be True, the problem is most of us don't know our levels when we were young and had no issues......only until we had problems\aged and then tested.

 

[Vince]

Could be True, the problem is most of us don't know our levels when we were young and had no issues......only until we had problems\aged and then tested.

Exactly that's why. Many doctors recommend getting your levels checked at age 21. That's our average peak and when you feel your best.

I have seen men in their '60s with total testosterone at very high levels even a thousand. Then for some reason it drops and they feel terrible. All they have to do is increase their levels and they feel good again.

 

[Hyrulewarrior1978]

And correction!: 20-25-30ng ft is considered to be around "top of the range"

Now, we really want some proof here. Link up to steroid forums where bodybuilders have given out info on such "full blown cycles" (anything targeting 16ng dl or slighly higher will be fine for proof)

Secondly, give proof that 20ng/dl FT is dangerous (I have added 4ng/dl to your top number, putting 20ng solidly in dangerous territory!)

Isn’t the quest diagnostics range (considered the most accurate of all lab tests) 35-155pg/ml? So 15ng/dl is the cutoff. Am I missing something or not calculating something right?

 

[tareload]

Isn’t the quest diagnostics range (considered the most accurate of all lab tests) 35-155pg/ml? So 15ng/dl is the cutoff. Am I missing something or not calculating something right?

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[SS1LE]

Isn’t the quest diagnostics range (considered the most accurate of all lab tests) 35-155pg/ml? So 15ng/dl is the cutoff. Am I missing something or not calculating something right?

It’s a range they made up for their purpose, same as labcorp. There is no standards. That’s the biggest problem with free T , hence why we are here seeing what ranges people do best in or arguing what is to high or low…lol

 

[Systemlord]

Where do you come up with these statements?

You took what I said out of context as it relates to the video above, about obese men having issues on TRT.

 

[Vince]

Keep It Up: The Power of Precision Medicine to Conquer Low T and Revitalize Your Life! Hardcover October 8, 2013 by Florence Comite - I read this book a couple of years ago and thought it was really good. I read the kindle version. She talks about men feeling their best, when having their testosterone levels, at the levels they were, when they were young. She believes young men should have their levels tested, so when they get older they know what to shoot for.